question about a completed lower with a bullet button

[realmswalker]

OK,

Friend of mine has a completed lower, not stripped and did not buy it as a stripped but a complete lower with a bullet button on it, but does not have the upper for it yet.

I've seen some people mention that the firearm has to be complete before January 1, 2017 to be able to be registered as a RAW.

Can he put an upper on it sometime this year and still register it? He ordered an upper back in December but it hasn't come in yet.

Is a complete lower with a bullet button by definition technically a "Firearm"?

He asks because if something ever happens and they ask for proof of purchase of the upper prior to 2017 and he can't provide it, will this be a problem for him?

He has no other ar-15 uppers to say that they were on the gun beforehand.

All these questions are of course in complying with the new sb880.

Sorry for all the questions, he just wants to make sure he complies with the laws, as much as he hates it.

[Cokebottle]

Can he put an upper on it sometime this year and still register it?

Legally? No. It can only be built out as featureless or rimfire at this point.

Is a complete lower with a bullet button by definition technically a "Firearm"?

A bare lower is a firearm.
A complete lower without an upper is not a semiautomatic centerfire rifle.

He asks because if something ever happens and they ask for proof of purchase of the upper prior to 2017 and he can't provide it, will this be a problem for him?

If they ask, yes, it's a big problem.

[Two Nuggets]

If he decides to attach an upper this year, he'd better make sure to stfu, pay cash, cover his ***.

I dont condone it but I personally have heard people doing that this year.

[realmswalker]

I already gave him the bad news, he's going to go featureless with his rifle, he doesn't want to take any chances.

Any recommendations on a good quality, feels good to the hand featureless grip for him? He going to remove the fash hider when he gets the upper and replace with a muzzle brake and go with an A2 stock.

And it's an ar-10 not an ar 15

[Cokebottle]

I already gave him the bad news, he's going to go featureless with his rifle, he doesn't want to take any chances.

Any recommendations on a good quality, feels good to the hand featureless grip for him? He going to remove the fash hider when he gets the upper and replace with a muzzle brake and go with an A2 stock.

And it's an ar-10 not an ar 15

For featureless I really do like the Monsterman and it fits nicely with the A2.

Just need an ambi safety, but that's needed anyways.

[realmswalker]

Thanks cokebottle, now I'm thinking for one of my ar's I may leave featureless, that looks like a nice grip.

How's your control when shooting prone or offhand with that thing?

[Cokebottle]

Thanks cokebottle, now I'm thinking for one of my ar's I may leave featureless, that looks like a nice grip.

How's your control when shooting prone or offhand with that thing?

It's not as stable as a traditional rifle where you can wrap your thumb over the top, but I've never felt uncomfortable with it.

[realmswalker]

Hey guys,

Another few questions, im having trouble finding the wording from the new law that specifically states that the rifle has to have been a complete and full rifle as of December 2016, can anyone point that to me please?

And also my friend had one more question, if the lower he has was purchased in 2016, can he make it featured, not register it, but put something like the patriot pin and the mag release that requires you to open the action to be broken open and be in compliance?

Thank you everyone for your patience with my questions.

[wbunning]

I think the answers to your questions are still cloudy. Yesterday, The legal firm that is representing CRPA hosted a great webinar on their take thus far. It's a couple of hours long, but well woth the listen. Your questions are all covered in the program. I recommend you listen. Go to the website below, and click on the Assault Weapons Regulations link. You have to give up your email, and name t listen.

http://crpa.org/webinars/

[zapatito92]

If he decides to attach an upper this year, he'd better make sure to stfu, pay cash, cover his ***.

I dont condone it but I personally have heard people doing that this year.

there has been a lot of talk about this type of thing.

I don't know why people wait so damn long, OP its up to your "friend" if "he" wants to flirt with the law maybe you win maybe you lose

[Drew Eckhardt]

OK,

Friend of mine has a completed lower, not stripped and did not buy it as a stripped but a complete lower with a bullet button on it, but does not have the upper for it yet.

I've seen some people mention that the firearm has to be complete before January 1, 2017 to be able to be registered as a RAW.

Can he put an upper on it sometime this year and still register it? He ordered an upper back in December but it hasn't come in yet.

Only if he had the foresight to install an upper last year so the gun in question was a featured bullet buttoned semiautomatic center fire rifle at some point between January 1st, 2001 and December 31st, 2016.

This comes from a plain English reading of the law, not the over-reaching regulations likely to go.

Is a complete lower with a bullet button by definition technically a "Firearm"?

Yes.

He asks because if something ever happens and they ask for proof of purchase of the upper prior to 2017 and he can't provide it, will this be a problem for him?

Any prosecution is likely to guy farther with a higher risk of conviction than if he had evidence suggesting he had a grandfathered bullet-buttoned assault weapon before the ban took effect - pictures mailed in a sealed post marked envelope or uploaded to a time stamped web service, complete AR15 with usable upper with DROS complete between January 1, 2014 and December 31st 2016, receipts.

[Drew Eckhardt]

And also my friend had one more question, if the lower he has was purchased in 2016, can he make it featured, not register it, but put something like the patriot pin and the mag release that requires you to open the action to be broken open and be in compliance?

A fixed magazine (cannot be removed without action disassembly) featured rifle is permitted under California Penal Code.

[Cokebottle]

Hey guys,

Another few questions, im having trouble finding the wording from the new law that specifically states that the rifle has to have been a complete and full rifle as of December 2016, can anyone point that to me please?

And also my friend had one more question, if the lower he has was purchased in 2016, can he make it featured, not register it, but put something like the patriot pin and the mag release that requires you to open the action to be broken open and be in compliance?

Thank you everyone for your patience with my questions.

The issue is that we are currently in a registration window, but the new definitions went into effect on 1/1/2017.
The new law exempts us from prosecution FOR POSSESSION of a (2017-defined) AW, but it does not grant an exemption from the assembly/manufacture of an AW.

The basic law remains unchanged from last year, when it was illegal to assemble a featured build without a bullet button.
The only thing that changed (ignoring the DOJ overreach in the yet-to-be-adopted CCRs) is that the bullet button no longer creates a non-detachable.

The CCR does go into some detail... See attached.

[realmswalker]

Thank you coke, that helps and at the same time confuses me more.

[Chapped Hide]

Hundreds if not thousands of BB SACF rifles will be built in 2017, not that it's the right thing to do, just sayin'.