Zeroing

[reefer7]

Neither! I like to zero at an in-between distance so I am always within an inch or two of my crosshairs.

Example, for pistol cartridge rifle, a 100 yard zero might leave you 3" high at 50 yards. So you zero at 82 yards, then you are 1.5" high at 50 and 1.5" low at 100. Now you will get a kill shot anywhere in there. A ballistics program like Remington Shoot will let you find the optimum in-between distance.

Another way to go, which I'm doing with a long-range cartridge, is to zero at my maximum probable shot (200 yds) then figuring any close shot is going to go high - put the crosshairs at the belly line. A hail mary shot, put the crosshairs at the top of the back. But a standard long shot put the crosshairs right on.

Wow great advice. Never thought of that. The problem is at my range.... you can go 0-25 yards which is too small. Or 100. No further and no less lol. At my BLM spot I can zero st whatever, but it's always an estimate because I don't have a range finder. Great advice though.


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[ER308]

Nice

But this is for a mosin

Ima put a scope on the handle sight on my AR. But the one I can use the irons underneath

Will that zero still work?

The trajectories of all those are close enough out to 300 yards that a 50 yard zero will get you a practical zero. No need for holdovers out to ~275 yards. However, if you're aiming at golf balls, then you need to do more work.

[1911su16b870]

As previously mentioned, your POA/POI zero is a personal preference.

I like a 50 yard zero for the AR and a 20 yard zero for the AK.

[CandG]

As previously mentioned, your POA/POI zero is a personal preference.

I like a 50 yard zero for the AR and a 20 yard zero for the AK.

With scopes? Those seem like iron sight zeroes. Seems like the height-over-bore with an optic would pose a significant problem with zeroes that close, unless that's the distance you always shoot from

[1911su16b870]

With scopes? Those seem like iron sight zeroes. Seems like the height-over-bore with an optic would pose a significant problem with zeroes that close, unless that's the distance you always shoot from

I don't always know the yardage I am engaging targets from, and a 4x is IMO not really a "scoped rifle", and my personal preference...yes with a 4x as well as irons!

I also know my POI/POA offset for yardages under 50!

[CarlB]

100

[CandG]

I don't always know the yardage I am engaging targets from, and a 4x is IMO not really a "scoped rifle", and my personal preference...yes with a 4x as well as irons!

I also know my POI/POA offset for yardages under 50!

Fair enough

For anyone zeroing guns that are meant primarily for self defense or SHTF or the like, those are probably good guidelines as well. Since no one is likely to need to defend themselves at 200yds.

[dieselpower]

As previously mentioned, your POA/POI zero is a personal preference.

I like a 50 yard zero for the AR and a 20 yard zero for the AK.

flat land or city i like & use a 75 - 100 yard zero on a 5.56. straight flight out to about 250 yards

mountain and hill areas should use a 25 yard zero. the large arc negates itself on actual use and extends the cross vector zero to 375 with easy long range hits out to 600.

[hambam105]

Far too many shooters throw the term, 'Zero', around in the same way a neighborhood group of kids throw around a basketball.

Fantasy, short attention spans and the expectation of instant results have all but ruined learning the Art of the Rifle.

[dieselpower]

Far too many shooters throw the term, 'Zero', around in the same way a neighborhood group of kids throw around a basketball.

Fantasy, short attention spans and the expectation of instant results have all but ruined learning the Art of the Rifle.

the art of a rifle has been replaced by optics and use. At one time this art form was needed for all use of a firearm, but now that use has expanded to include use that doesnt require that art form.

At one time a butt load of training in the art of firearm use was needed to hit a target at long distance. That has changed. Within a mere hours I can train a novice to hit a target at great distance breaking all the rules in the art.

There are videos on youtube of guys with poor marksmanship skills hitting targets 800 yards away with ease.

I have a rule, the distance you want to hit at is directly proportional to your money spent on the firearm. Spend $2500 on a rifle and glass, 800 yard hits is child's play without any real skill needed.

[edgerly779]

I zero for 2" high at 100 for ars on out to 350 in KZ for most subjects.

[Scratch705]

the art of a rifle has been replaced by optics and use. At one time this art form was needed for all use of a firearm, but now that use has expanded to include use that doesnt require that art form.

At one time a butt load of training in the art of firearm use was needed to hit a target at long distance. That has changed. Within a mere hours I can train a novice to hit a target at great distance breaking all the rules in the art.

There are videos on youtube of guys with poor marksmanship skills hitting targets 800 yards away with ease.

I have a rule, the distance you want to hit at is directly proportional to your money spent on the firearm. Spend $2500 on a rifle and glass, 800 yard hits is child's play without any real skill needed.

so if i buy a $500 rifle and shoot 1K yards, that means i'm a super master?

[mif_slim]

MasterCheif if you use $500 for 1 mile.

I might be just master since Im able to do 1k with $700. ;P

[ja308]

the art of a rifle has been replaced by optics and use. At one time this art form was needed for all use of a firearm, but now that use has expanded to include use that doesnt require that art form.

At one time a butt load of training in the art of firearm use was needed to hit a target at long distance. That has changed. Within a mere hours I can train a novice to hit a target at great distance breaking all the rules in the art.

There are videos on youtube of guys with poor marksmanship skills hitting targets 800 yards away with ease.

I have a rule, the distance you want to hit at is directly proportional to your money spent on the firearm. Spend $2500 on a rifle and glass, 800 yard hits is child's play without any real skill needed.

So you can teach a novice field positions,standing,sitting,prone within a matter of hours ? Could this novice compete at Camp Perry or score on the army/marine qualification course!
As a certified rifle instructor,I can tell you that marksmanship requires lots of practice,good training and disipline.
Now if your putting a rifle on a bench or in a vise,sure long range hits are possibile,but not frequent.
Go to Angeles sometime and observe how many times steel targets are hit! Hint rarely by most shooters,even with a concrete bench.

[1911su16b870]

As a side point, recently I attended carbine training and FWIW the statement was made that these carbines/rifles, if you do your job, should bust out a 1-inch dot at 50 yards.

Carbines/rifles are precision and power, the operator just needs to settle in and do his job with the tool that he has.