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  • brassburnz
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2006
    • 3553

    Selling a Franken-gun: Disclosure

    I was thinking about selling a semi-auto pistol made from a frame and slide from two different guns, a Franken-gun. Do I need to disclose this is a Franken-gun or just list it as is?
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    Does not matter to me.
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    brassburnz
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2006
    • 3553

    Selling/Buying a Franken-gun: Disclosure

    If you were buying a semi-auto where the serial numbers on the frame and the slide do not match, would it make any difference to you? Should a seller disclose this information to a potential buyer?

    MODS: Sorry for the double-post. First time posting a poll.
    Last edited by brassburnz; 01-07-2017, 12:24 AM.
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    • #3
      orangeusa
      • Jul 2009
      • 9055

      I already responded once, lolz.

      I'm thinking unless it's a collectors piece, it doesn't matter - does it? That said, I would probably tell them.

      BTW-nobody likes public polls.
      You fixed it !

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      Last edited by orangeusa; 01-06-2017, 11:25 PM.

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      • #4
        claylakers
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2012
        • 2807

        I sold one similar not too long ago. My thinking was and is "why not describe it exactly for what it is and let the market dictate demand?" I prefer to be on the side of being too up front rather than having someone complain that they feel duped or taken advantage of if I didn't disclose as much as possible....whatever that is worth, GLWS

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        • #5
          bigmike82
          Bit Pusher
          CGN Contributor
          • Jan 2008
          • 3876

          It wouldn't stop me from buying it, but it would cause a wtf reaction if I discovered it.
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          • #6
            MosinVirus
            Happily Infected
            CGN Contributor
            • Sep 2013
            • 5282

            If the parts are serialized to match and not matching, I would want to know. Because I think there may be an expectation of "originality" there.

            When do we find out more about this non-matching beast?
            Hobbies: bla, bla, bla... Bought a Mosin Nagant... Guns, Guns, Guns...

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            • #7
              sarbiker
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2014
              • 750

              Bacon.
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              • #8
                claylakers
                Veteran Member
                • Jun 2012
                • 2807

                Originally posted by bigmike82
                It wouldn't stop me from buying it, but it would cause a wtf reaction if I discovered it.
                Yup yup

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                • #9
                  MrOrange
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 2262

                  Originally posted by sarbiker
                  Bacon.
                  For reals, brassburnz, I mean WHAT THE HELL?! No bacon option? I'm disgusted.


                  I voted yes, even though it's not like selling a car with half the actual miles showing, full disclosure is best. Doesn't matter if the slide is serialized or not, if the gun isn't original the seller should note it.
                  I meant, it is my opinion that...






                  I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence
                  I would advise violence. - M. Gandhi
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                  • #10
                    hermosabeach
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 19425

                    Wecsog should be disclosed

                    Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                    Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                    Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                    Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
                    (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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                    • #11
                      dozer wright
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 2764

                      If you as seller expanded the situation before hand not a deal breaker . If I found the mismatch at inspection at the Ffl before Dros then I wouldn't buy it . Nothing worse than a dishonest seller of firearms . Your mismatching frame slide may not be a big deal . But this is a tool someone may use in defense of their or their loved ones life . Let them make the decision.
                      Last edited by dozer wright; 01-07-2017, 8:53 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Mitch
                        Mostly Harmless
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 6574

                        What would Jesus do? Serious reply. Check it out.
                        Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                        Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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                        • #13
                          Bansh88
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 2500

                          Absolutely yes. It should reflect the (hopefully) oddly low price on the gun.

                          Unless this is being listed in the usual Calguns manner of "custom"

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                          • #14
                            dieselpower
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 11471

                            there is a reason why the slide and frame both have a serial number and the fact they are different changes the value.

                            A Glock frame, slide and barrel have matching serial numbers because that proves the firearm is in its original condition as purchased from the factory without addressing the internal components.

                            As a Factory Representative, I know we would not honor or acknowledge a warranty on a firearm with non-matching serial numbers, but have in the past ignored non-factory parts on the inside of a unit.

                            This may or may not be of added value and the buyer has a right to decide for themselves prior to the sale. If they were not informed of the mis-match in serial numbers, they sale could be voided based on the fact they were not sold an item presented as a factory built item.

                            I have had this conversation with people who paid $100,000 for a "new" product only to find out there is absolutely no factory warranty. I simply refer them back to the Seller.

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                            • #15
                              Robert1234
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 3078

                              Originally posted by bigmike82
                              It wouldn't stop me from buying it, but it would cause a wtf reaction if I discovered it.
                              This.^^

                              How would you feel buying something and finding some detail that may or may not affect the price was hidden?

                              That said, caveat emptor. Before buying, check the numbers if that matters to you. Or ask the seller before driving to the dealer.

                              I'd rather know as I'm reading the ad than after driving to the FFL and finding out.

                              A couple of years ago, I sold a gun without realizing the numbers didn't match (it was a Glock, they number the frame, slide and barrel). Buyer called me after I left the dealer and told me. I felt bad for him, and if he had asked, I would have returned his money. If it was something I had noticed, I would have put the info in the ad.

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