Must pickup ar/ak by 12/31/2016

[edgerly779]

[I just picked up 2 long guns at ammo bros. They said any at/ak that is affected by raw will be turned over to leos . Everyone better pick up.][/RIGHT]
I just told some people to get the upper off and take with you just in case. Is I was ffl I would stay late on 31st and strip the lowers and keep the uppers and give cops stripped lowers.
Free parts .

[ScottsBad]

Yeah, that's because the DOJ sent out a NASTY GRAM to the FFLs saying that if they have ANY AWs in their possession on 1/1/2017 they will be immediately prosecuted. According to my FFL.

I can just imagine quite a few rifles being hauled out of state on New Years Eve...

[Blade Gunner]

[I just picked up 2 long guns at ammo bros. They said any at/ak that is affected by raw will be turned over to leos . Everyone better pick up.][/RIGHT]
I just told some people to get the upper off and take with you just in case. Is I was ffl I would stay late on 31st and strip the lowers and keep the uppers and give cops stripped lowers.
Free parts .

Most FFL's where sold out by 12/21/16. Some have worked out arrangements to transfer to out of state dealers and some are doing featureless conversions for anything not sold on 12/21/16.


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[edgerly779]

Featureless or armaglock and bill the buyer but don't give to the cops.

[Steve1968LS2]

[I just picked up 2 long guns at ammo bros. They said any at/ak that is affected by raw will be turned over to leos . Everyone better pick up.][/RIGHT]
I just told some people to get the upper off and take with you just in case. Is I was ffl I would stay late on 31st and strip the lowers and keep the uppers and give cops stripped lowers.
Free parts .

The gun doesn't belong to the FFL and they have zero right or authority to strip it down on their own.

How about the buyers just not be flaky and pick up their stuff? Why should the FFL have to do anything extra.. the 31st is New Years Eve.. I wouldn't blame them from closing early.

The buyer has 100% of the responsibility here..

[Mitch]

Featureless or armaglock and bill the buyer but don't give to the cops.

Start here: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...3#post19396943

The nastygram the DoJ sent to FFls has been posted on this forum somewhere. Aside from the hassle Baboosh mentions, I don't think many FFLs are going to want to get cute with the DoJ.

[ScottsBad]

Start here: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...3#post19396943

The nastygram the DoJ sent to FFls has been posted on this forum somewhere. Aside from the hassle Baboosh mentions, I don't think many FFLs are going to want to get cute with the DoJ.

Yeah, I just don't see FFLs risking their lively hood and possible prosecution for a $75 fee. LOL. And they can't legally modify a rifle to make it legal.

That's why I'm guessing that any left over AWs will get moved. I'd be totally pissed if I were a FFL. And I probably would have made the cutoff date the 10th instead of the 20th.

[ugimports]

Yeah, I just don't see FFLs risking their lively hood and possible prosecution for a $75 fee. LOL. And they can't legally modify a rifle to make it legal.

That's why I'm guessing that any left over AWs will get moved. I'd be totally pissed if I were a FFL. And I probably would have made the cutoff date the 10th instead of the 20th.

The DOJ actually informed us we can modify rifles to keep them legal in 2017 as long as it is done by 12/31/2016. They did not distinguish between rifles held for customers (in DROS period) or items in inventory.

[dieselpower]

The DOJ actually informed us we can modify rifles to keep them legal in 2017 as long as it is done by 12/31/2016. They did not distinguish between rifles held for customers (in DROS period) or items in inventory.

really, are you sure you are allowed to modify a firearm awaiting DROS pickup? I realize there isnt a lot of precedent, but could you for sake of this argument, DROS a SACF, then before delivery alter the firearm to a Bolt action and still legally transfer under the same DROS?

[hypa]

really, are you sure you are allowed to modify a firearm awaiting DROS pickup? I realize there isnt a lot of precedent, but could you for sake of this argument, DROS a SACF, then before delivery alter the firearm to a Bolt action and still legally transfer under the same DROS?

Don't overcomplicate things, the example you provided is a bit excessive. An FFL would probably be more likely to remove the pistol grip, stock and flash hider rather than to convert someone's rifle to a bolt action. Under those circumstances, it wouldn't change any of the specifications on the DROS.

[hypa]

Oh and please educate me on the term "SACF", I've never seen this before (outside of several of your posts). Thanks in advance.

[Sydwaiz]

I picked up two at ammo bros in Cerritos today too but didn't hear that. I did hear someone have their dros delayed though!

[tigerpan]

Do they also turn over half strip lower? The lower have pistol grip and part kit. Without stock and buffer tube?

[ProtectThe2nd]

Oh and please educate me on the term "SACF", I've never seen this before (outside of several of your posts). Thanks in advance.

semi auto center fire

[ifilef]

The DOJ actually informed us we can modify rifles to keep them legal in 2017 as long as it is done by 12/31/2016. They did not distinguish between rifles held for customers (in DROS period) or items in inventory.

One might think that those DROS'd would not have to be modified unless customer does not pick up by the 31st, but y'all can't modify after that date anyway.

In any event, did DOJ in that memo authorize FFL to convert a SACF featured with BB to featureless by the 31st where it was not previously authorized? Just curious if you guys needed a DWP or AWP to do so previously, or not, or any FFL could do so at the request of the customer and the FFL was amenable.

Sorry for the compound question, but just interested if DOJ was giving regular FFLs some slack.

Some people have made a ridiculous argument that if you as FFLs are authorized to convert to featureless and make it a non-AW by the 31st they should be able to do so and NOT have to register as AW when the statutes clearly state that registration is mandatory if one possessed featured with a BB prior to 1/1/2017.