A Version of Microstamping Technology is ALREADY Being Implemented???

[Az9]

Do you remember a couple of years ago, each time you purchased a firearm in CA you received an empty shell in the package? - Not so anymore.

I don't know if this is already common knowledge, but I just read about it somewhere: Manufacturer sends empty shell with firearm off of which it came's serial # to CA DOJ. It is stored there along with a database - no names, just serial numbers (at least initially).

In case ballistics needs to be performed on a witness shell, the database is consulted for a match.

How much more microstamping do you need?

On further thought, shouldn't the buyer still receive an empty shell to keep just in case, if firearm is sold, stolen or whatever? - I don't know how useful this would be , but imagine a database mix-up and a mistaken shell identity. Crazy shi*!

[Dr Rockso]

The casing was just to comply with ballistics databases in a couple of states. When a gun was sold in those states the cases were sent off to a state agency for cataloging. NY and MD were the two big ones, but maybe there were others (never CA, surprisingly). It's been universally abandoned because it because it was an abject failure, which is why new guns don't come with the free piece of brass anymore.

[Librarian]

See also http://www.guns.com/2015/05/13/maryl...ontrol-groups/

With the stroke of Republican Gov. Larry Hogan’s pen this week, Maryland became the last state to end its mandate on requiring manufacturers and retailers to submit spent bullet casings for all handguns sold state.

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Gun industry groups, which long-lamented Maryland’s system as being dysfunctional, supported the repeal, citing that the only other state to create a similar system, New York, long ago abandoned it after it failed to solve a single criminal case.

[Az9]

Wow. Thank you for the update. It looked like a version of microstamping of sorts. The only snag for it failing must have been not enough criminals buy their ammo through regular channels.

Minority Report technology will probably be next in CA.

[FalconLair]

not saying microstamping technology can't be accomplished, but, it will never be the "magic clue" they think it will be

way too many easy ways to defeat the technology - not to mention it'll never be cost effective

[Kowan]

I remember reading they were running into storeage problems and no justification for the tax payer money spent.
Of course the antis came out saying in the future, the program might work to solve crimes.

[FalconLair]

I remember reading they were running into storeage problems and no justification for the tax payer money spent.
Of course the antis came out saying in the future, the program might work to solve crimes.

yeah

millions of casings stored and recorded to "MAYBE" solve one crime every leap year

[aklon]

not saying microstamping technology can't be accomplished, but, it will never be the "magic clue" they think it will be

way too many easy ways to defeat the technology - not to mention it'll never be cost effective

Microstamping is not about solving crime, but all about drying up the supply of new firearms in this state.

[Dr Rockso]

Wow. Thank you for the update. It looked like a version of microstamping of sorts. The only snag for it failing must have been not enough criminals buy their ammo through regular channels.

Minority Report technology will probably be next in CA.

The snag is that the legislators listened to popular media and not the experts in forensics. Imprints left by firing pins and breachfaces aren't a "fingerprint" and you can't just pick up a casing at a crime scene and match it one gun in an enormous database. That's just not how toolmark examination works.

[The Gleam]

Do you remember a couple of years ago, each time you purchased a firearm in CA you received an empty shell in the package? - Not so anymore.

I don't know if this is already common knowledge, but I just read about it somewhere: Manufacturer sends empty shell with firearm off of which it came's serial # to CA DOJ. It is stored there along with a database - no names, just serial numbers (at least initially).

Are you young? It had been going on for a long while and as Librarian pointed out, was essentially made null and void when they found it was either not useful, records were not checked, crimes were not solved, it was costing millions, and they actually came to their sense and realized what everyone else knew; that the majority of gun buyers that buy guns through the methods that track them (i.e., through an FFL) are NOT a criminals, and there is no way to track a criminal with a stolen gun. Great, you might know WHAT gun was used in a crime, but since the criminal was not linked to the gun - you have solved nothing.

That's IF the science and technology were to even be viable, which it's not. Some 15 to 20 years of that stupidity, wasted time and wasted millions, for nothing.

[The Gleam]

The snag is that the legislators listened to popular media and not the experts in forensics. Imprints left by firing pins and breachfaces aren't a "fingerprint" and you can't just pick up a casing at a crime scene and match it one gun in an enormous database. That's just not how toolmark examination works.

Not to mention what we all already know; a file, change the firing pin, and general wear will obvious change the "fingerprint".

The idea was as silly 15 years ago as Mike Feuer's idea is now, and simply shows the ignorance of voters and politicians alike to allow people that don't know anything about firearms, don't own firearms, don't shoot firearms, have never shot a firearm(let alone hold one), don't like firearms, and want to ban firearms - to make laws about firearms.

[Az9]

Are you young?

Not terribly young, but evidently not too informed, either. I just read about this somewhere and it sounded like a completely new thing.

There should be a complete list of all failed anti-gun laws, published and updated regularly on a web site somewhere, and pro-gun lawyers should recite it in detail during closing statements.

If it's not published somewhere already.

[cantdance]

Microstamping is not about solving crime, but all about drying up the supply of new firearms in this state.

This, plus most of the other ridiculous laws we have here.

[kcheung2]

I don't know if this is already common knowledge, but I just read about it somewhere: Manufacturer sends empty shell with firearm off of which it came's serial # to CA DOJ. It is stored there along with a database - no names, just serial numbers (at least initially).

Crazy shi*!

You realize that's how FUD is spread. No sources, no dates, no links. Just "I read it somewhere."

I read it somewhere that to comply with new CA laws, Chuck Norris registered his left arm but changed his right arm to featureless.

[Wicked Pete]

Not to mention what we all already know; a file, change the firing pin, and general wear will obvious change the "fingerprint".

The idea was as silly 15 years ago as Mike Feuer's idea is now, and simply shows the ignorance of voters and politicians alike to allow people that don't know anything about firearms, don't own firearms, don't shoot firearms, have never shot a firearm(let alone hold one), don't like firearms, and want to ban firearms - to make laws about firearms.

Often does seem like our lawmakers are not in touch with reality.