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  • MCRACER82
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2008
    • 68

    HK PSG-1 Clone

    Hello,
    I have a PSG-1 clone built off of a Century Arms C91 Sporter by Murray Urbach. I would like to bring it in the state. I had Murray install a RADD bullet button and a five round magazine. Is the rifle legal to enter the state in this config? I remember seeing a flow chart on here regarding if a rifle is banned by name or characteristic. I cant seem to find that flow chart now. I remember seeing and HK PSG-1 and HK91 are banned by name but I dont think the Century Arms clone is banned by its name. So I am assuming it is legal as long as the mag is fixed. Any info would greatly help. Thanks!!!


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    xxxx
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 1706

    Originally posted by MCRACER82
    Hello,
    I have a PSG-1 clone built off of a Century Arms C91 Sporter by Murray Urbach. I would like to bring it in the state. I had Murray install a RADD bullet button and a five round magazine. Is the rifle legal to enter the state in this config? I remember seeing a flow chart on here regarding if a rifle is banned by name or characteristic. I cant seem to find that flow chart now. I remember seeing and HK PSG-1 and HK91 are banned by name but I dont think the Century Arms clone is banned by its name. So I am assuming it is legal as long as the mag is fixed. Any info would greatly help. Thanks!!!
    I believe you are correct, and the mag can be 10 rounds - unless you hunt or something.

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    • #3
      viras
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2007
      • 1853

      The Flowchart is right here (and the Century Arms C91 is not on it as far as I can tell):

      Last edited by viras; 02-06-2009, 12:12 PM.

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      • #4
        MCRACER82
        Junior Member
        • Aug 2008
        • 68

        Originally posted by viras
        The Flowchart is right here (and the Century Arms C91 is not on it as far as I can tell):

        Thanks for the link. I was so in tune looking for it in a thread that I didnt open my eyes. LOL


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        • #5
          NSR500
          Banned
          • Aug 2006
          • 19530

          I hope part of the conversion was not a restamp to HK PSG-1. There was a discussion somewhere here about restamping with a banned name being a bit controversial.
          Good Luck to getting your gun!

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          • #6
            MCRACER82
            Junior Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 68

            Originally posted by NSR500
            I hope part of the conversion was not a restamp to HK PSG-1. There was a discussion somewhere here about restamping with a banned name being a bit controversial.
            Good Luck to getting your gun!
            The guns is still stamped with Century Arms C91 Sporter and the serial number. Is that what you mean?


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            • #7
              MCRACER82
              Junior Member
              • Aug 2008
              • 68

              Originally posted by NSR500
              I hope part of the conversion was not a restamp to HK PSG-1. There was a discussion somewhere here about restamping with a banned name being a bit controversial.
              Good Luck to getting your gun!
              Wouldn't restamping the rifle be illegal?


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              • #8
                Hkfanatic
                Member
                • Mar 2006
                • 336

                Originally posted by MCRACER82
                Wouldn't restamping the rifle be illegal?
                its not technically illegal but it could cause problems should the situation ever arise.

                congrats on getting your rifle back from MR. Urbach, i couldent wait the 5 years he would have taken. so i built my own when your shooting federal gold match a fixed 10 rnd magazine really doesent bother me

                heres a pic, post one of yours when it comes in.

                Last edited by Hkfanatic; 06-22-2009, 9:45 AM.

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                • #9
                  Turbinator
                  Administrator
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 11935

                  Do you have a more zoomed out pic of that PSG1 clone? I think I recall reading your thread on how you built yours. That is just awesome.

                  Turby

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                  • #10
                    highpowermatch
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 2434

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                    • #11
                      MCRACER82
                      Junior Member
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 68

                      Originally posted by Hkfanatic
                      its not technically illegal but it could cause problems should the situation ever arise.

                      congrats on getting your rifle back from MR. Urbach, i couldent wait the 5 years he would have taken. so i built my own when your shooting federal gold match a fixed 10 rnd magazine really doesent bother me

                      heres a pic, post one of yours when it comes in.

                      Actually the gun arrives in two days. I hope he didn't restamp it. If he did how does that affect it legally being in Kalifornia? PSG-1 is on the list but technically its a Century Arms C91 which isnt on the list. Even though it is stamped PSG-1, doesnt the actual manufacture and model still have to be on the rifle?


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                      • #12
                        Hkfanatic
                        Member
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 336

                        its not illegal to restamp the gun.


                        it can just cause problems, IF someone were to question it.

                        IE a LEO thinks you have an unreg'ed assault weapon and even though your compliant (maglock) takes the gun into custody. it wont be until you get to an examiner that they will know that the firearm is not acutally a PSG-1 but thats alot of hassle up until that point.

                        now the other problem would be if you go to sell it. an FFL may see PSG-1 and not do the transfer because its on the banned by name list. and then you have to go through the trouble of explaining that its actually a century arms C91 sporter and not really a PSG-1, that again is a hastle.

                        bottom line if your keeping the rifle for some great amount of time and you keep it Cali compliant with a Bullet button. dont worry if its restamped

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                        • #13
                          Riptide
                          Junior Member
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 75

                          Is it really legal in California to restamp the model on a rifle? Like from "PTR91" to "PSG1" or from "SL8-6" to "G36K"? I know there are no Federal restrictions, but for California is it legal?

                          This thread discussed some of this before: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=117694

                          I have been looking for a definitive answer for quite a while.
                          Last edited by Riptide; 06-25-2009, 11:22 AM. Reason: Bad spelling.
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                          • #14
                            MCRACER82
                            Junior Member
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 68

                            Originally posted by Hkfanatic
                            its not technically illegal but it could cause problems should the situation ever arise.

                            congrats on getting your rifle back from MR. Urbach, i couldent wait the 5 years he would have taken. so i built my own when your shooting federal gold match a fixed 10 rnd magazine really doesent bother me

                            heres a pic, post one of yours when it comes in.

                            HKfanatic,
                            Where did you get your parts for your PSG-1? IE barrel, receiver rails, scope mount tabs? Your welds look really good. Did you have the Silent bolt closer (forward assist) installed? Any more pics?


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                            • #15
                              Hkfanatic
                              Member
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 336

                              Barrel is a Top notch parts one they were selling a little while back.
                              receiver rails are RDTS
                              scope tabes were made by an HKpro board member JFK

                              at this time i am currently makeing the forward assists and am starting on rails soon.

                              i did all the work on that rifle, as well as an MSG90 for a friend of mine. (pics below) my PSG-1 is currently torn apart because im going to completely redo it. with almost all my own parts.

                              i got most of the HK parts on various boards.

                              here are the pics you requested.




                              my buddys MSG90





                              My forward assist./ silent bolt closure device

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