Pistols and Grouping Spread

[nooneyouknow]

Been spending time at LAX range with the pistols. One of the employees there was offering support. I told him with my Kahr 9mm everything was all over the place. With my HK 45 USP I could get them all in the same area, not a professional placement but going to same place. He told me the HK has a 'spungy short trigger' while the kahr compact with it being double action and internal takes more time and thus, you have more time for the hands to screw up your pointing. Shrug. Seems reasonable. My sense is the HK is a better gun and perhaps is the same thing. Also better fits my hand the kahr i cant even get all my fingers on it.

The short pull seems to make sense but I am uneducated in these things. THoughts?

[baranski]

Put the Kahr on a benchrest and then decide.

[russ69]

Once you have confidence in your ability, you'll be able to evaluate different handguns. Until then just keep shooting and learning.

[croc4]

I think what you will find is that because the Khar has a stronger trigger pull you are flinching more that you are with the HK


croc4

[1911su16b870]

Do some dry fire work while watching your front sight. When the striker falls-Did the front sight move?

[tbc]

I can achieve a 3-in group with any handguns from 50 feet but I cannot do the same with my Kahr let alone from 20 feet. Does it tell you something

The Kahr's trigger is freakin long. Great gun though.

[someoneeasy]

No...... it's cuz 9mm sucks

[croc4]

the key to the khar trigger is learning how to stage it, once you get the hang of it its really not bad given the type of pistol it is


croc4

[Calguns77]

Sign up for this pistol class:

http://internationaltactical.com/handgun_1.html

Otherwise you can spend a lifetime trying to figure out what you're doing wrong by watching YouTube videos, asking range staff and perusing internet forums.

Or try and make friends with a competition shooter and save $400 lol.

[AreWeFree]

Sign up for this pistol class:

http://internationaltactical.com/handgun_1.html

Otherwise you can spend a lifetime trying to figure out what you're doing wrong by watching YouTube videos, asking range staff and perusing internet forums.

I try to learn at every opportunity.
One of the things I've learned here; do what HopetonBrown suggests. He's objective and gives good advice.

[9mmepiphany]

Or try and make friends with a competition shooter and save $400 lol.

$400 will seem cheap in the long run, in ammo cost, if it keeps you from developing bad trigger habits you'll have to break down the road.

OP you didn't say which model, or caliber, Kahr you were shooting, but my CW9 has been very accurate since I took it out of the box.

I don't think a Kahr trigger is any harder to manage than a USP trigger. I've shot a lot of USPs in different calibers over the years in and could never get used to the spongy trigger or the sensation of its recoil springs.

The trigger just takes a different technique to manage. Once you take up the slack, you just need to continue adding pressure, straight to the rear, to the trigger until the striker releases. I highly recommend against staging the trigger...that just leads to more jerking of it

[1911su16b870]

I am going to respectfully disagree with the premise that being friends with a competition shooter (obviously depending on that shooter ) may not equal a good defensive pistol class like that offered by Scotty and Brett of ITTS.

IMO there has to be an individual mind set change from firearm enthusiast (first gun owner) into "hey, how about using this gun in a defensive capacity". Once that switch has occurred, the value of taking a good defensive hand gun class can not be overstated. ITTS will provide that.

[Calguns77]

$400 will seem cheap in the long run, in ammo cost, if it keeps you from developing bad trigger habits you'll have to break down the road.

You can learn that from competition shooters. If he was asking to learn how to fight with a pistol i would agree he should spend the money on a defensive pistol class.

[Calguns77]

Someone who bought a Kahr and a USP is most likely interested in self protection.

Maybe. And I'm sure its a quality class. But all he asked was for advice on how to become a better shooter with his sub compact. Trigger placement, pull, grip etc.

Also its clear op should adjust his expectations, its always going to be more difficult to be accurate with a sub compact than a full size. Especially one with a long, heavy DA pull when you are used to shooting a single action trigger. All those features are going to expose issues with your fundamentals.

[Nopal]

It's all trigger control. Shooting a Kahr is more like shooting a pocket revolver than a semi auto because of it's long trigger. I personally love my Kahr. It is accurate, very dependable, slim (single stack, can be concealed OWB with just a shirt to cover it), and with a very safe trigger unencumbered by any other safeties or gizmos. I can't think back and remember ever having a single jam or problem with mine.

You need to train that trigger finger to handle long double action triggers. This is what really helped me: Focus on that front sight and pretend it is connected to your trigger finger so that when your finger moves, your front sight moves. When shooting, pretend that you're trying to pull that front sight through the notch of your rear sight. Keep focusing on that front sight. Everything but the front sight should be blurry, even your target. Practice the exercise of trying to pull that front sight through the rear notch at home by dry-firing. Use a snap-cap. You'll be surprised how much your trigger control improves and how much your groups shrink.