Scope Question?

[gleach0608]

I'm new to long range shooting but just decided to buy a savage model 10 in 308 caliber. I have heard the old tale pay 2x the rifle cost for the scope. I just wanted to see if I could get some input from the wise calgunners on this forum about some options for purchasing a scope. I know nothing about them. I do know there are tactical scopes and hunting scopes. I would like something that has the bullet drop deltas added and I was told those are the tac scopes? Anyway I don't have a tone of money but I want something that will allow me to use the gun to its potential but not break the bank let's say I'll spend 600 to 1000. Any input would be appreciated thanks.



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[bigdawg86]

I just purchased two scopes. A Kahles k624i 6x24-56, and a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50... to be honest in your price range you can't go wrong with the Viper PST. They have a FFP and a SFP model. Seriously, take a look that the Viper.

Side by side I cannot say that the Kahles is 2,000 dollars better.

[Vacaville]

I have a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5 - 14X with the BDC reticle on my Weatherby. It's a decent quality scope that lists for around $300. Shop around and you can get it for less.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/318634/nikon-buckmasters-rifle-scope-45-14x-40mm-side-focus-bdc-reticle-matte

Other scopes to consider that won't cost an arm and a leg: Nikon Monarch, Redfield Revolution, Burris Fullfield II, and the Vortex Viper.

[gleach0608]

Yeah I'm considering vortex I've had a few people pointing me that rout.

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[jcourson]

I have the 110 in 30-06 with a vortex (older Viper model IIRC - not the HD), both are great for the money. I really would not consider these to be long range shooting guns, though my idea of long range and yours may be completely different. Inside of 250 yards, the 308 is a great general purpose hunting round. It is fairly accurate, has a polite recoil, and I am told it is forgiving to reload if you are into that. Past 250, it degrades and becomes downright sketchy as you push past 600. It is a low velocity, rainbow trajectory round that doesn't really handle wind that well.
What I am really getting at is what kind of shooting are you looking to do, and how far?

[gleach0608]

I have the 110 in 30-06 with a vortex (older Viper model IIRC - not the HD), both are great for the money. I really would not consider these to be long range shooting guns, though my idea of long range and yours may be completely different. Inside of 250 yards, the 308 is a great general purpose hunting round. It is fairly accurate, has a polite recoil, and I am told it is forgiving to reload if you are into that. Past 250, it degrades and becomes downright sketchy as you push past 600. It is a low velocity, rainbow trajectory round that doesn't really handle wind that well.
What I am really getting at is what kind of shooting are you looking to do, and how far?

As far as I can get with that gun. I'm just wanting to learn how to shoot and dial a rifle in. This is my first time owning one.

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[NorCalFocus]

$600-$1000 isn't a bad budget to work with. For a long range target scope here's what you want...

1. Matching turrets and reticle. You want your unit of measurement to match on both of these. Doesn't matter if its Mils or MOA. This way you can measure with your reticle, then dial the correction in your turrets without extra math or thinking.

2. Repeteable positive clicks. As you move the turrets up and down, you want to be able to feel each click and be able to count them. That way you don't always have to look at the turret to make sure you dialed the correct clicks. You also want a scope that will go up 30-40 MOA, then back to zero.

3. Generous eye relief. Your not taking one shot with this rifle, your going to be behind it for a long time. You want a scope that lets you easily get behind it and you don't have to fight for that sweet spot.

4. Side focus. Most scopes in your price range will have this anyways, but it is something you want to make sure of.

In your price range I'd look at the following scopes.
Vortex Viper 6-24x50 HSLR https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-6-24x5...rds=viper+HSLR
Vortex Viper 6-24x50 PST https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-6-24x5.../dp/B003AQUGXC
SWFA 3-15x44 FFP http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tact...pe-P62238.aspx
Bushnell Elite https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Tact.../dp/B006UKMDFO

I'm personally running the Viper HSLR. I didn't need a luminated reticle, and the non target turret on the side was fine. I also went with Vortex as their warranty it the best in the business. I've had a scope repaired twice from them at no charge.

[CouchOperator]

The "spend double than the rifle" is sort of false. The idea is right, but poor in execution. If that were true, people with $1,500 AR's would need $3,000 optics; a $6,000 Accuracy International would need a $12,000 scope, etcetc. That being said, scopes are simply precision instruments. Buying quality is always worth it. Tracking is far more important than sheer clarity. If you arent getting the actual adjustment you thought you dialed for, you may completely miss given distance and target size/speed

[Lonestargrizzly]

The "spend double than the rifle" is sort of false. The idea is right, but poor in execution. If that were true, people with $1,500 AR's would need $3,000 optics; a $6,000 Accuracy International would need a $12,000 scope, etcetc. That being said, scopes are simply precision instruments. Buying quality is always worth it. Tracking is far more important than sheer clarity. If you arent getting the actual adjustment you thought you dialed for, you may completely miss given distance and target size/speed

+1
Price isn't as important as quality and tracking ability.

[ExtremeX]

I am a big fan of the value orientated options out there... I agree with a lot of what has been said above.

As far as manufactures to look at I feel SWFA and Vortex have become my "go-to" brands over the years. Bushnell is another but I have less first hand experience with them.

I think the Vortex Viper PST line of optics is the place to look if you want a full featured scope with a good balance in cost/performance. I would strongly consider the PST above all the other variations of Viper scopes.

SWFA comes in on both sides of the PST in terms of value/cost.

The Classic line, within your budget, offers a excellent bang for the buck in both their fixed and variable. The SS HD line offers an amazing value if you are wanted that next tier of build quality, fit/finish, and optical performance. The SS HD scopes would have more in line with Vortex Razor scopes if you wanted to compare something on the upper end of your budget. Search used or consider SWFA has sales that should be coming up soon for the holidays so the timing might be spot on...

Either way, you are off to a good start with the right attitude towards scope selection.

[gleach0608]

Thanks for the help, considering the amount of people I've spoke too on here and off it sounds like Vortex will be my poison.

Does anyone have any input on books or videos clubs anything I can get to learn to shoot at distance?

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[PatC415]

Another vote for the Vortex Viper 6x24x50 PST FFP. Very pleased with this optic for less than $1K. Just get out and use it. Get a chrony, and use the Vortex ballistic calculator online. Learn by doing!

[dozer wright]

Check out Sightron great glass for the price . And highly recommended.

[ExtremeX]

Thanks for the help, considering the amount of people I've spoke too on here and off it sounds like Vortex will be my poison.

Does anyone have any input on books or videos clubs anything I can get to learn to shoot at distance?

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Sniper 101 series... excellent stuff

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJUaiRIEduNXoal2_PkBZi0vDCIcEPxUn

[ExtremeX]

... Just get out and use it. Get a chrony, and use the Vortex ballistic calculator online. Learn by doing!

Absolutely agree.

Tools in addition to the rifle scope... LRF, Spotting Scope, Anemometer for density altitude and wind, application or pre-built drop charts. Plenty to choose from but I like Ballistics on iOS platform.

Chronograph is also a +1 even though I waited years to get one after I started reloading. I feel can also be pretty optional for someone who uses factory ammo and works a good drop chart with some backwards engineering gets you close enough if all you wanted was a velocity plugin value.