80% serializing at costa mesa gun show

[350skylark]

Anyone been at a gun show lately and saw the prices? In looking to get it done.. Also it's a completed lower am I alright to just bring that in the show?

[God Bless America]

Look up Micro Laser Welding.

Avoid the 91 today.

[350skylark]

Just a heads up, I went mostly because I had nothing to do today, they are akng $65 for everything per atf, however they cannot do it for a lower that is complete only 80%

[Cokebottle]

Just a heads up, I went mostly because I had nothing to do today, they are akng $65 for everything per atf, however they cannot do it for a lower that is complete only 80%

Sounds like they can't do it at the show while you wait.
Can they do it at their shop while you wait? They don't need an FFL for that.

Most likely, any jewelry engraver/trophy shop can do it while you wait.

[SoCal Gunner]

^Was that the folks from Micro Laser Welding? I thought they would do a completed lower on the spot?

[Marauder2003]

I have been told by 2 gun show engravers that ATF told them they cannot do a non-80% lower. Unless they have a FFL 07. ATF considers it manufacturing.

[uxo2]

Need ATF approval to engrave a 80%..?


Sounds like BS response

[350skylark]

It was not micro laser welding, they were not there. They one that was said that beginning October 1st atf does not allow them to engrave a complete lower even if the person is waiting there. Technically it's not complete without the numbers now right?

[swell1957]

I have been told by 2 gun show engravers that ATF told them they cannot do a non-80% lower. Unless they have a FFL 07. ATF considers it manufacturing.

Recently there was an FFL seminar put on by the ATF in San Diego that I attended. The ATF (Los Angeles division) specifically stated that people are going to be coming to FFLs for engraving. Per their words, an 01 or 07 FFL can engrave a customer's 80% receiver. This is not manufacturing.
An 07 wont even engrave their information on the receiver. The 07 isn't the one that manufactured the firearm.

Also, an FFL is necessary to work on firearms. Just ask the ATF or a firearms attorney. I've done both. The people who do it while you wait just haven't been caught yet! They're not on the radar so the ATF has no reason to look for them, but don't give them a reason

I am not an attorney. Nothing posted here is legal advice. Consult your own attorney.

[swell1957]

It was not micro laser welding, they were not there. They one that was said that beginning October 1st atf does not allow them to engrave a complete lower even if the person is waiting there. Technically it's not complete without the numbers now right?

See post above. Did this place have an FFL? If not, that is why they said they can't even if the customer is waiting.
The only "benefit" to a customer waiting is that it doesn't have to be logged in the A&D book.

[Marauder2003]

Need ATF approval to engrave a 80%..?


Sounds like BS response

I said a non-80%. Meaning you finished it and now want it engraved. ATF says engraving a finished lower is manufacturing and therefore the engraver must be a FFL 07.

[swell1957]

I said a non-80%. Meaning you finished it and now want it engraved. ATF says engraving a finished lower is manufacturing and therefore the engraver must be a FFL 07.

Have you confirmed this with the ATF? I say this is incorrect having just come from an ATF given seminar two weeks ago.

[AdidasCJ]

I was told this buy a local laser engraver as well... that they can do the 80s... but once they are milled, they can not.

SOOO "Register" You Assault Weapons, but you cant go many places to get the engraving done....

[SoCal Gunner]

I said a non-80%. Meaning you finished it and now want it engraved. ATF says engraving a finished lower is manufacturing and therefore the engraver must be a FFL 07.

Have you confirmed this with the ATF? I say this is incorrect having just come from an ATF given seminar two weeks ago.

Almost nothing would surprise me, but how can a lower be "more finished" or "manufactured" if it its already been finished and thus manufactured? So I cant take my Daniel Defense AR15 in and have some engraving done?

[swell1957]

I was told this buy a local laser engraver as well... that they can do the 80s... but once they are milled, they can not.

SOOO "Register" You Assault Weapons, but you cant go many places to get the engraving done....

The question should be whether or not these shops are FFLs.
If they are not FFLs, then they cannot engrave lowers.
If they are 01 or 07 FFLs, they can engrave lowers.

this not legal advise!