High Capacity Magazine Question

[Devils12]

Hey everyone, I am new here and I had a quick question regarding CA and large cap mags. I did see some threads regrading this topic, but nothing answering my specific question. So I live in a state where high cap mags are legal and I have a buddy of mine in CA that wants my 30 round mags. I know it is illegal to possess, give, sell, transport or import these mags into CA, but if I remove the bottom plate and put a stopper in there does that make them legal to own and use in CA? Also, do I have to glue the plate to make it "unable" to open and remove the stopper?

I just want to make sure I am doing the right thing before I move forward in shipping it to him.

-Thanks

[edgerly779]

Block to 10 rounds permanently and no one knows what is permanent. Keep them there not worth effort.

[riprap]

No such thing as large capacity mags, only standard and less than standard capacity.

[Divernhunter]

^^^ You sir are correct

Regular mags for others and neutered mags for us.

[Librarian]

No such thing as large capacity mags, only standard and less than standard capacity.

In California law discussions, there are only 'large-capacity magazines', that hold 11 or more rounds, and 'other'.

'Standard' capacity is weapon dependent. Standard capacity for a 1911 is SEVEN - not even close to 'large-capacity'.

[drifts1]

Not worth the effort. Sell your mags and use the money to buy him CA legal mags. Better yet, tell him to buy his own mags

[Truck286]

Yup.. Sell them or just keep them and Stay out of this state because this state SUCKS !
Make him support himself... Thats how this state got ruined by people wanting other peoples S#@T and not willing to work for their own

[GW]

Don't know what if any liability you would have being out of state, but your pal getting caught importing them could be in a world of hurt. Save the both of yourselves the headache and pass on this.

[stormvet]

No such thing as large capacity mags, only standard and less than standard capacity.

Not true even in a free state.

Take a Glock 22 for example.

Less then standard - 10 round mag.

Standard capacity - 15 round mag.

High capacity - 22 round mag.

If a manufacturer or the aftermarket make a magazine for a gun that holds more rounds then the gun was designed to carry, that would be a high capacity magazine.

[Devils12]

Thanks guys for the responses. I just told him I couldn't do it and advised him to just buy the mags that already have the stopper permanently sealed in them there in CA. I helped find him a few sites, stores that sell them already made and for $11 bucks a mag. Not too bad.

[The Gleam]

Thanks guys for the responses. I just told him I couldn't do it and advised him to just buy the mags that already have the stopper permanently sealed in them there in CA. I helped find him a few sites, stores that sell them already made and for $11 bucks a mag. Not too bad.

I think you have been mislead as many of the "replies" in this thread never intended to be helpful, or wanted to play coy sticks-in-the-mud with the terms "standard", "high", or "large". According to CA laws, large and high have real meaning.

It sucks, but that is the result of apathetic gun owners not voting, not fighting, not actually getting up off the couch to turn off Oprah re-runs to go sign a veto referendum petition.

Now, onto your willingness to help a friend on the other side of the border in our country of California.

It would be legal for you to block the magazines to 10-rounds and ship them to him. At this time, 10 rounds is 10 rounds; if it blocked to 10 and can't hold more than that, well then it's a 10 round magazine. Manufacturers are shipping them in by the boat-load and they can be found in most any gun store shelves in CA. 10/30 mags have become the norm, about as ubiquitous as bullet buttons.

Best way to do this is drill a hole where the follower will stop at 10 rounds loaded, then use a pop-rivet gun to install a rivet of sufficient size that will stop the travel of the follower. Don't already have a rivet gun? hand-operated models can be bought on the cheap and it's something everyone should have anyway. Very useful.

Why is this important to address? Because many guns never had 10 round magazines available for them, and nobody ever made aftermarket 10-round mags - and if they did, they were so horribly made that the gun did not function.

I can think of several guns that fit the above description: the Walther P88, the Steyr GB-18, HK VP70z, Calico .22LR and 9mm pistols/carbines, the Colt All American, Grendel P30, or guns with mags that are hard to find in 10 rounds; FNARs, or older non-NATO Steyr Augs, and such. I'm sure I could list many others if I took the time to think it out...

Many of the local ordinances that were banning POSSESSION of high-capacity magazines prior to the state adopting it often had a provision that if no 10-round magazines were available for a firearm, the possession of large capacity magazines for that gun were excepted.

As I understand it, the State did not include such a provision; might that be the very thing that is used to fight that new law? And the law doesn't allow someone within CA to convert them to 10 rounds? Possibly, possibly.

Are you disarming me if I am not allowed to own high-capacity magazines anymore for my Steyr GB-18?? I've owned the gun for more than 30 years along with its 18-round magazines, to nobody's harm or infringement save for a sheet of paper at the range; and yet now I'm suddenly a nefarious criminal for doing so?

Help your friend if you can, especially if it's for a gun whereby 10-rounders are hard to get or he wants the C&R mags to match his gun rather than plastic Magpuls. However, if it's a common modern gun or they're common AR or AK mags, he could probably pick up pre-block 30 rounders at most any gun store in CA.

Thanks guys for the responses. I just told him I couldn't do it and advised him to just buy the mags that already have the stopper permanently sealed in them there in CA. I helped find him a few sites, stores that sell them already made and for $11 bucks a mag. Not too bad.

Sounds like they may be common AR mags. Then this is likely the easiest route for you and him.