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[wireless]

Out of state firearms are charged sales tax if it's from an individual or a FFL. Doesn't matter if it's used or new. Absolutely insane but it's just the way it is.

[NATEWA]

If it bothers you, after you pick up your rifle, mention your assumption to the owner. See what he says. If you're correct, you're basically paying tax to the FFL instead of the government. Personally, I'm ok with it. You win because you're able to get the rifle you want (and probably at a good price) and he profits/stays in business. You don't have to do business with him in the future if it continues to bother you

[tradecraft]

Wow who has a $25 transfer fee? New/used, tax is always required during that transfer (you either pay it upfront or at your FFL).

[NATEWA]

Out of state firearms are charged sales tax if it's from an individual or a FFL. Doesn't matter if it's used or new. Absolutely insane but it's just the way it is.

When did this change? I remember years ago during SSE not paying tax on new, I mean (wink, wink), used guns.

[socalblue]

Interesting.

My assumption was that a "used" weapon is rung up as a PPT. No tax. Even interstate.

Is this a firearm only thing?

PPT is face to face CA residents transfers only.

[rromeo]

The use tax on out of state purchases is about 90 years old, and it covers everything, not just guns. The tax board recently got the idea that guns transferred from out of state were easy to enforce tax code on, as there is a record of who is getting them.

[tradecraft]

We already answered your question. If you find an FFL not collecting the correct fees, by all means, go for it.

[rbetts]

Best to change your thread title to something like "Help me understand why I am paying tax on my transfer"

That way you are not giving the FFL a bad rap. He's doing things the way he is supposed to. . . . .

[PolishMike]

Don't judge by the receipt. Different POS systems are configured in different ways. He may have that tax specifically listed that way so it is easier to look up on reports.

[Eatmyshade]

I had this happened to me on a out of state transfer. The pawn shop marked it as used and charged me tax. Went again to restart the DROS the following day. I also figured they marked it used to pocket the cash.


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[rromeo]

Some FFLs may mark guns as used if they didn't purchase it for the store inventory from a distributor. Since his invoice has tax on it, I doubt he's pocketing the money.

[wireless]

Dug this up-

From AmmoBros current transfer FAQ:

https://www.ammobros.com/information.php?info_id=46

"Transfers

FFL Transfers are firearms shipped into an FFL from another location. They can be shipped from either another dealer or a private individual.
FFL Transfers MUST Be CA Legal. Handguns must either be on the CA DOJ Roster of Approved Firearms or be exempt from the roster.

Fees

Incoming FFL Transfers are $75.00 + $25.00 DROS (CA Background Check) + CA Sales Tax. All transfers from FFL dealers must have a CA Firearm Shipment Approval number. Any firearm received without an approval number will be returned at the buyers expense. Transfers from private individuals are exempt from CA Firearm Shipment Approvals and CA sales tax. All firearms received from a private individual MUST have a clear copy of the sellers ID included in the box."


NOTE: This is not their PPT policy. This is out of state transfer from an individual for an item such as a used rifle.

My invoice does not list a dealer name or address. Simply "no invoice" and USED listed on the DROS.

I could very well be wrong, but it leads me to believe the "tax" money collected was pocketed.

No interest in keeping someone with these morals in business, such as the "rather give it to them than CA" belief. FFL or not.

I've had 5 different FFLs collect sales tax on used firearms receivers/guns from out of state. The sale is no longer considered a PPT and it's treated like any other sales purchase. There policy is either wrong or they will owe CA some money whenever the State figures it out.

99.5% chance the money is not being pocketed.


This topic has been covered many times.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=sales+on+out+of+state+purchase+calguns+site:www.calguns.net

[BigPimping]

All FFLs collect sales tax on out-of-state purchases unless the tax was paid at the time of sale from the vendor. It's been like that for quite some time.

[wireless]

Excellent thread on info right here, about six year old thread

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=366781