Accuracy Systems INC.

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[TonyNorCal]

Talk to MaceWindu, I believe he has a few.

Also, if you're not familiar with http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ go check them out. Those guys in the Mini section know their stuff. They can also recommend lots of do-it-yourself and inexpensive accuracy mods.

[ohsmily]

They build an accurate mini-14....but it is expensive.

You would be much better off buying an OLL and buying a heavy varmint barrel upper for it. It will be just as accurate (or better) and MUCH cheaper than the gun that accuracy systems will build you.

[TonyNorCal]

+1 to the OLL suggestion.

I've talked to Accuracy Systems owner/chief gunsmith on the phone. Very nice guy, helpful, and willing to talk and answer questions. All indications are they put out a quality product and have pioneered a number of mini refinements.

That said, for the cost of an Accuracy Systems mini you could likely have a complete off-list lower and two full uppers. So you could have say one target upper for bench work and one 16 inch lighter upper for plinking, SHTF, etc. Basically two rifles.

Or you could build a target OLL and have money left to put towards an outstanding scope.

If you don't like the fixed mag get a MonsterMan grip.

[Creampuff]

I had ASI work on my ranch Mini14 before the whole OLL situation. They replaced the factory barrel, with a Douglas 18.5" , 0.9" diameter, SS barrel, and installed - match trigger, 3 point bedding, new gas block, choate synthetic stock, M1A style rear sight, and 3 blade MMC front sight.

The plus side, it probably is sub MOA; problem is I am not . The match trigger is much much cleaner than the factory trigger, and the new gas block does not launch the brass into the International Space Station.

The cons:
I no longer have the advantage of a lightweight carbine; the new barrel's weight makes my ASI mini14 weigh much more than my OLL. The other con, $$$$. You will probably get more for your money by building up an OLL.

The person I spoke with from ASI was very helpful, plus, he was aware of some of the CA laws, so he knew not to add a folding stock, flashhider, etc...

[guns_and_labs]

I have a Mini-14 from ASI, and I love it. It is super accurate with a wide variety of loads, and darned near bombproof. The work they did was outstanding.

With a bunch of 10-rounders and a couple of my leftover 20-rounders from way back, it is an awesome home defense rig... in a way that no OLL can (legally) be.

I have some AR15-types too, and they're good. But they're no more reliable or accurate than the ASI Mini-14. Nor were they cheaper, though YMMV, particularly if you want a service configuration instead of a varmint configuration.

[ohsmily]

With a bunch of 10-rounders and a couple of my leftover 20-rounders from way back, it is an awesome home defense rig... in a way that no OLL can (legally) be.

How do you figure? How is it a better home defense rig than an OLL can be?

And why would you want an accurized heavy barreled Mini-14 over a standard, factory config mini-14? The accurized one is heavier and has a tighter, match chamber which may contribute to less reliability?

so, ????

[guns_and_labs]

How do you figure? How is it a better home defense rig than an OLL can be?

And why would you want an accurized heavy barreled Mini-14 over a standard, factory config mini-14? The accurized one is heavier and has a tighter, match chamber which may contribute to less reliability?

so, ????

Well, about sixty rounds before I have to open it up and reload the fixed mag. Maybe it's just me, but I find mag changes very convenient. Of course, as someone is sure to point out, home defense rarely takes more than ten shots.

I don't find the heavy (but short) barrel a hindrance; I actually find it allows a more accurate offhand shot than a light barrel (for me).

And, after many, many prairie dog and ground squirrel sessions of 1000+ rounds, I haven't found the chamber (or anything) to be a reliability problem with the Mini-14. I did have a trigger/sear issue, but ASI fixed it just fine. In fact, in the fine dust, I actually have had more feeding issues with my AR -- I find you have to get the lubrication absolutely perfect with that fine gritty stuff.

Hey, nothing against the AR15. I love it, I've bet my life on it. But OLL's, well, they have some limitations in our current legislative situation. Mini-14's don't, yet.

[ohsmily]

Well, about sixty rounds before I have to open it up and reload the fixed mag. Maybe it's just me, but I find mag changes very convenient. Of course, as someone is sure to point out, home defense rarely takes more than ten shots.

I don't find the heavy (but short) barrel a hindrance; I actually find it allows a more accurate offhand shot than a light barrel (for me).

And, after many, many prairie dog and ground squirrel sessions of 1000+ rounds, I haven't found the chamber (or anything) to be a reliability problem with the Mini-14. I did have a trigger/sear issue, but ASI fixed it just fine. In fact, in the fine dust, I actually have had more feeding issues with my AR -- I find you have to get the lubrication absolutely perfect with that fine gritty stuff.

Hey, nothing against the AR15. I love it, I've bet my life on it. But OLL's, well, they have some limitations in our current legislative situation. Mini-14's don't, yet.

You can use detachable magazine in an OLL. You don't have to have a fixed magazine on an OLL. In fact, I think fixed mags suck unless you are just going for looks and want all the "evil features" OR you are creating a bench rifle which doesn't require lots of rounds and you want a nice palm swell pistol grip. Anyway, you can use a monster grip (which provides the same grip profile as a standard rifle (aka Mini-14)) and you can use USGI magazines (30 rounds) which feed extremely reliably in the AR.

So...again, how is it better than an OLL can be?

(personally, I use a 1911 and my Armalite M15AR for home defense, but I am just curious how the Mini-14 is better than an OLL with a detachable magazine and a monster grip?)

[Creampuff]

Regarding the original question: based on my experience (which is only one rifle), ASI does quality work. Even though I now have a couple of OLL's, I will not sell my ASI Mini14, but it comes down to intangible reasons. I like how the mini feels when I fire it...not neccesarily the most objective answer .
The bull barrel is not your only option with ASI, so you may want to inquire about less heavy options, other than what I purchased.

Regarding the new topic on this thread:

Last week I took both my OLL's and Mini14 to Chabot, and right now if I had to grab one, it would be the Mini14, mainly because I have used the Mini14 for the past year, and it was my first time breaking in the OLL. Using iron sights only, my Mini14 was beating the OLL at 50 yards. However, I would attribute that to the match trigger on the Mini14 vs the stock LPK on the OLL. When I used the OLL with the Eotech, then the Eotech won over the Mini14. I prefer the Choate stock of the mini14, over the feel of the Monsterman grip. But I will say the difference is small.

I suspect in about 6 months my opinion will change, for two reasons. Shooting with the Eotech really amazed me, regarding how easy it was to acquire a target; this option is much easier to mount on the OLL than it is for the mini14. The second reason, I will probably prefer the OLL months from now is, regarding aftermarget magazines. While my 10 round promag and john masen mags have not failed yet on the mini14, I don't have a ton of faith in either one of these companies. The only other California options would be the 5 round ruger mag or PSI, which is no longer in production.

[guns_and_labs]

Anyway, you can use a monster grip (which provides the same grip profile as a standard rifle (aka Mini-14)) and you can use USGI magazines (30 rounds) which feed extremely reliably in the AR.

I haven't tried a monster grip. The pictures I saw didn't show the same grip profile as a standard rifle, but, if they do, you could very well be right. I'll give it a try.

[bg]

I don't have an ASI mini but I do have a modified mini
with a Shilen barrel and JP Eliminator muzzle brake.
It shoots just about anything and hits pretty much what
I aim at. If I miss, it's me not the rifle. The other thing
is at the time before the OLL deal, the mini was and still
is one semi auto center fire weapon that wasn't named
to the AW ban. Of course adding certain items makes
it a so called AW, which is moronic in itself, but it is
still avail for sale here in Ca.

Just my 0.02.

PS. GunDoc over there at the Perfect Union Mini forum
does awesome work on minis as well with excellant customer
serrvice..Yea I know it's a plug, but its the truth.

[guns_and_labs]

Anyway, you can use a monster grip (which provides the same grip profile as a standard rifle (aka Mini-14)) and you can use USGI magazines (30 rounds) which feed extremely reliably in the AR.

OK, thanks to tenpercentfirearms, I have one, tried it, and must disagree most respectfully that it has the same grip profile as a Mini-14. It's a clever way around the evil features, but it will take a long, long time -- for me, at least -- to get comfortable with my thumb in the wrong place and the safety inaccessible or on the "wrong" side.

YMMV, and that's why the marketplace is such a rich and wonderful place. I'll keep my ASI Mini-14, though.

[Mesa Tactical]

A factory Mini-14 is as accurate as 99% of shooters not shooting from a bench. Plus it features detachable mags and a real stock that is the end result of four hundred years of firearms ergonomic design.

An OLL is, well, a compromise.

[GTKrockeTT]

i plan on having my mini-14 worked on by these guys.

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http://www.greatwestgunsmithing.com/mini2.htm