National Firearm Serial Number Registry

[djbooya]

Hear me out before you flame. I'm curious if the reason people do not support registration is simply because of misuse or because everyone thinks it is useless. Read ALL my assumptions before you respond. Also, I know this is an impossibility so this is PURELY HYPOTHETICAL.

Assumptions:
1) All firearms in every state are registered into 1 national database
2) all private transfers go through said database
3) all dealer sales go through said database
4) the database can only be used to trace firearms in crime such as assault or homicides
5) any other use besides #4 results in the execution of the person making the request - this includes any form of "ban" or "confiscation" related to the data in the database. this includes any reporting on ownership to specific individuals.
6) data should be "2 factor" - in this case meaning every record has a unique identifier so you can't associate multiple records to 1 person. that unqiue identifier is in a different database managed by another department in a different branch of government that releases the actual name/address info for the record when a valid request is made that hasn't caused the requestor to be executed.
7) one this is enacted anybody in government that tries to change the rules is executed - no appeals, no jury trial, you get struck by lightning by your deity of choice and at the same time the database self destructs and any copies (including paper copies) each detonate with the force of a 100megaton bomb.


Now that those assumptions are out of the way, would you support a registry like this? If no, why and what assumptions would you need to add in order for you to support it?

If what I'm theorizing is true it isn't the concept of the registry that has everyone hot and bothered it's the implementation and misuse of the registry.

Again - I know this will NEVER happen in real life. Also, never mind the "how" the data gets into the database. That's irrelevant to the discussion. Just assume it happens magically and automatically with no effort or cost (or taxpayer money) on the buyer/seller for the purpose of this discussion.

[tiger04]

It's none of their business, plain and simple

[HighWildFree]

What's the point of a database? If I can legally own it, why do you or they need to know about it?

[mstlaurent]

What problem is this database going to solve?

[ScottsBad]

How many thousand of times do we need to discuss this? I guess until every ding dong and shill gets it.

What would this data base accomplish? Why is it necessary? Why does the OP feel it is necessary to try to placate the gun-grabbers?

[omega]

No, I Do Not support any type of data base / registry / infringements

it's totally unacceptable.

[Condorguns]

What problem is this database going to solve?

^^^ This

[Foebia]

Give me an example how this would make anyone safer?
Creates more govt bloat to gum up things

[Merc1138]

Hear me out before you flame. I'm curious if the reason people do not support registration is simply because of misuse or because everyone thinks it is useless. Read ALL my assumptions before you respond. Also, I know this is an impossibility so this is PURELY HYPOTHETICAL.

Assumptions:
1) All firearms in every state are registered into 1 national database
2) all private transfers go through said database
3) all dealer sales go through said database
4) the database can only be used to trace firearms in crime such as assault or homicides
5) any other use besides #4 results in the execution of the person making the request - this includes any form of "ban" or "confiscation" related to the data in the database. this includes any reporting on ownership to specific individuals.
6) data should be "2 factor" - in this case meaning every record has a unique identifier so you can't associate multiple records to 1 person. that unqiue identifier is in a different database managed by another department in a different branch of government that releases the actual name/address info for the record when a valid request is made that hasn't caused the requestor to be executed.
7) one this is enacted anybody in government that tries to change the rules is executed - no appeals, no jury trial, you get struck by lightning by your deity of choice and at the same time the database self destructs and any copies (including paper copies) each detonate with the force of a 100megaton bomb.


Now that those assumptions are out of the way, would you support a registry like this? If no, why and what assumptions would you need to add in order for you to support it?

If what I'm theorizing is true it isn't the concept of the registry that has everyone hot and bothered it's the implementation and misuse of the registry.

Again - I know this will NEVER happen in real life. Also, never mind the "how" the data gets into the database. That's irrelevant to the discussion. Just assume it happens magically and automatically with no effort or cost (or taxpayer money) on the buyer/seller for the purpose of this discussion.

And this theoretical registry accomplishes what? States already have real registries that do not accomplish anything.

Why not a knife registry? How about a registry for blunt objects? Hands and feet? They can all be used in a homicide.

[dwalker]

Hear me out before you flame. I'm curious if the reason people do not support registration is simply because of misuse or because everyone thinks it is useless. Read ALL my assumptions before you respond. Also, I know this is an impossibility so this is PURELY HYPOTHETICAL.

Assumptions:
1) All firearms in every state are registered into 1 national database
2) all private transfers go through said database
3) all dealer sales go through said database
4) the database can only be used to trace firearms in crime such as assault or homicides
5) any other use besides #4 results in the execution of the person making the request - this includes any form of "ban" or "confiscation" related to the data in the database. this includes any reporting on ownership to specific individuals.
6) data should be "2 factor" - in this case meaning every record has a unique identifier so you can't associate multiple records to 1 person. that unqiue identifier is in a different database managed by another department in a different branch of government that releases the actual name/address info for the record when a valid request is made that hasn't caused the requestor to be executed.
7) one this is enacted anybody in government that tries to change the rules is executed - no appeals, no jury trial, you get struck by lightning by your deity of choice and at the same time the database self destructs and any copies (including paper copies) each detonate with the force of a 100megaton bomb.


Now that those assumptions are out of the way, would you support a registry like this? If no, why and what assumptions would you need to add in order for you to support it?

If what I'm theorizing is true it isn't the concept of the registry that has everyone hot and bothered it's the implementation and misuse of the registry.

Again - I know this will NEVER happen in real life. Also, never mind the "how" the data gets into the database. That's irrelevant to the discussion. Just assume it happens magically and automatically with no effort or cost (or taxpayer money) on the buyer/seller for the purpose of this discussion.

NO to all of the above.

What possible use is such a registry beyond abuse and implementation.

And .gov folks ALWAYS find a way to abuse ANY power given to them. The FAA, FCC, EPA, IRS are just a few examples of benign .gov agencies crated to "help" that have no practical use in thier current form beyond collecting money from citizens and penalizing them arbitrarily.

[njineermike]

No. Nothing more needs be said.

[kenl]

1. Canada had a much simpler version than what your proposing. It was a very expensive miserable failure. Zero crimes were solved, and zero convictions were made using it, acording to the Ca government.
2. Record keeping was forbidden in the bradey bill. About the onlything good in it
3. Why? Databases like that aren't for crime control. The only reason for a registration database is to tell the politicians where to look when a gun ban is attempted.

Support it? Never

[ScottsBad]

We need to register baseball bats, NOW!

[BeFrank]

1. It's proven useless for crime prevention/ control.
2. It's proven to be misused.
3. Serial numbers only purpose is warranty and defect tracking.

[djbooya]

It's none of their business, plain and simple

The data could only be used to trace firearms used in specific firearm crime such as homicides. What other business are you referring to? Reporting couldn't be done.