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  • jdberger
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Oct 2005
    • 8944

    Gotta love the Chronicle!!

    SF Chronicle had an article about the killing of Officer Espinosa. They continually make reference to the rifle involved as an AK-47, though in an information box titled "Deadly Rifle's Path" they state that, "The semiautomatic weapon used to kill Officer Isaac Espinosa was a Chinese-made Norinco SKS version of an AK-47 assault rifle...." They state further, that "Because it was not fully automatic, it was not subject to Government regulations on assault weapons at the time." Finally, they claim that "a San Francisco police informant - bought the weapon for $1,500 from a man he identified as "Ali" at a liquor store in Oakland."

    The article is here: DANGER IN TRUSTING A GANGLAND SNITCH

    So, this pisses me off. I see it as an example of blaming the gun, not the criminal, biased against guns and loaded with inaccuracies designed to heighten the bias against guns (I know, what should I expect from the Chronicle). So, I wrote a letter.... Here goes....

    Ms. Van Derbeken,

    Regarding your article, "Nightmare Informant," in todays SF
    Chronicle; you continue to refer to the rifle that was used in the
    murder of officer Espinosa as an "AK-47." It was not. It was an SKS.
    These are not the same type of rifle. They are not even related. A
    quick visit to the Wikipedia would have clarified this.

    The AK-47 was developed Mikhail Kalashnikov, produced by Russian
    manufacturer Izhevsk Mechanical Works and used in many Eastern bloc
    nations during the Cold War. It was adopted and standardized in
    1947. It has a detachable magazine and a pistol grip.

    The SKS was developed in 1945 by Sergei Gavrilovich Simonov. It does
    not have a detachable magazine. Nor does it have a pistol grip.

    The SKS was never a fully automatic rifle. It was never covered
    under the Clinton Assault Weapons ban as it does not have a
    detachable magazine. The SKS is also not covered by the California
    Assault Weapons ban, as it has neither a detachable magazine nor a
    pistol grip. You can buy one at any California gun store. A quick
    internet search or call to the California DOJ Firearms division
    would have revealed that fact.

    Finally, though Marvin Jeffrey may have claimed that he bought the
    SKS for $1,500 from "Ali" at an Oakland liquor store, he would have
    paid more than 10 times the retail value of the rifle. A quick
    search of Northern California gun stores would show that the SKS
    retails for less than $150.

    Continually, in relation to this story, the Chronicle has insisted
    that the rifle that was used to kill officer Espinosa was an AK-47.
    They have been repeatedly corrected by myself and others.

    Given the contentious nature of the gun control debate, and the
    Chronicle's obvious stance on the issue, I wonder if there is
    another agenda, here.

    Newspapers continually complain about the drop in subscriptions.
    Perhaps it is because readers know that FACTS aren't necessarily
    part of the story.

    Best Regards,

    Jdberger
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    Charliegone
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2005
    • 6103

    I think thats an excellent rebuttal/ correction and you should send this right away to them...though I doubt they will try to fix the problem. Figures.


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    • #3
      wilit
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2005
      • 5209

      Excellent rebuttal. Education of facts goes a lot futher than name calling and threats.
      "If a man hasn't found something worth dying for, he isn't fit to live." - Martin Luther King Jr.
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      • #4
        The Soup Nazi
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2006
        • 2455

        Dude? If they can sell a Chinese Commercial SKS for 1500 USD, then I bet I could sell my Russian SKS for 2500 to said person.

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        • #5
          Blue
          Calguns Addict
          • Oct 2005
          • 8069

          Damn thats one expensive SKS.
          Lord, make my hand fast and accurate.
          Let my aim be true and my hand faster
          than those who would seek to destroy me.
          Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
          Let not my last thought be 'If I only had my gun."
          And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home, let me die in an empty pile of brass.
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          • #6
            leelaw
            Junior Member
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2005
            • 10445

            Last time I sent a letter to the editor at the Chronicle regarding them calling an SKS an AK or vise-versa, the editor replied to me and flat-out said that I was a liar and they know better than I do.

            Apparently screen-captures of the rifle they showed on the video clip online of the story compared to a picture of an AK and an SKS, clearly showing an identical match to the SKS, was irrelevent.

            They're arrogant, anti-gun, Libtard fu*kwads.

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            • #7
              VeryCoolCat
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Feb 2006
              • 11275

              "He's an identity-theft master,'' said Moses, who is now retired. "He has a knack to finding people who have IQs one or two points higher than a rock
              Obviously the person who Jeffrey [the crook] had talked to about buying the weapon for $1500 was obviously one person that jeffrey knew was an idiot.
              Originally posted by Kestryll
              The volume of blood necessary to achieve erection would cause you to either pass out or if you didn't and managed to maintain an erection you would likely die from lack of oxygen to the heart and brain.
              Originally posted by ivanimal
              Just be glad you are not his next door neighbor. I am sure there are "good tunes" flowing out the window. I am imagining a cop car pulling up at 1:30 AM asking "Are you having a party?" and Bundo sayin "Nope just me and the BG's"

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              • #8
                M. Sage
                Moderator Emeritus
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jul 2006
                • 19759

                Originally posted by The Soup Nazi
                Dude? If they can sell a Chinese Commercial SKS for 1500 USD, then I bet I could sell my Russian SKS for 2500 to said person.
                Lol, then turn around and buy a dozen of your favorite toys.
                Originally posted by Deadbolt
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                • #9
                  jdberger
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 8944

                  Dude? If they can sell a Chinese Commercial SKS for 1500 USD, then I bet I could sell my Russian SKS for 2500 to said person.
                  Yep. Thinking about getting an 01 FFL and a liquor store. Call it Ali's and sell SKSs out the back for a grand a pop. Should be able to fund my kids' education and a new Aston Martin Vanquish in the process....
                  Rest in Peace - Andrew Breitbart. A true student of Alinsky.

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                  • #10
                    chris
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 19452

                    great letter very nicely written.
                    http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php
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                    • #11
                      bwiese
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 27621

                      I believe (at least pretty sure) I communicated with Jaxon VanDerBeken awhile back about issues surrounding "380" vs "38" vs "38 automatic".

                      The just of his repsonse was that he agreed with me but his editor wanted to drop the "extra" zero in "380 automatic", and the editor writes the rules.

                      Oftentimes street-level reporters know more than edit staff, but real tech info gets 'cleaned up' incorrectly at edit time.

                      Bill Wiese
                      San Jose, CA

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                      • #12
                        zefflyn
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 537

                        While it is mind boggling that they would intentionally use the wrong term to describe something so central to the story, I find it even more offensive that the police intentionally allow so many criminals to roam free.

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                        • #13
                          mailman
                          Member
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 428

                          It would be hard to ban the sks and not include every other semi auto rifle
                          "Imagination is more important than knowledge."-Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            jerryg1776
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2005
                            • 1060

                            Originally posted by dwestfall
                            Why correct them? Let them demonize the AK-47 since it's already banned here. You are just giving them ammunition to demonize a gun that is currently legal, which can lead to legislation banning it!

                            I do not think that the point is the demonization of the weapon. The major point is that the press has the ability to slant a story and flat out lie and believe that they do not have to be held to an obvious standard of truth in facts. It's a slippery slope to flat out manufacturing a "newsworthy" story to push an agenda. Now we all know that the liberal press would never ever let that happen <sarcasm here so dont take me literally>. I believe that abuse or intentional malfeasance of the public trust by the press corps should be a punishible crime, yet it is oft times that they are able to lie and claim 1st ammendment protction.

                            Of course, if we start holding the press liable for slanting the news, then I guess we will actually have to put crooked politicians in jail instead of just a little hand slapping.

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                            • #15
                              jdberger
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 8944

                              I received a response from Mr. Van Derbeken.

                              Thanks for your note.
                              Well....at least I know that it got to him......
                              Rest in Peace - Andrew Breitbart. A true student of Alinsky.

                              90% of winning is simply showing up.

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