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  • elSquid
    In Memoriam
    • Aug 2007
    • 11844

    Beginner "point shooting" dryfire class...

    Just saw this over at pistol training:



    LA based course teaching new shooters 'combat point shooting' without actually shooting a real gun. "Dry fire", except no apparent attempt to learn how to use sights or trigger management.

    BS...or valid training?



    $40/class. Looks an hour long?

    It seems goofy to me, since the folks aren't really learning how to run a gun - look at how some are holding their pistola ( support thumb behind slide! arg! ) - but is there any benefit to programming folks to take violent action? Or are these folks just fooling themselves? Is this just basically an aerobics class with blue guns?

    -- Michael
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    ElDub1950
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2012
    • 5688

    It's training, so better than no training for new owners. It's only a $40 intro, and almost certainly the first training most of them have had. And point shooting is an important skill that a lot of us never practice.

    I'm all for it.

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    • #3
      MotoFahren
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2015
      • 643

      The blond at the end seemed to have a solid philosophy on the issue, and no pointy elbows, so it's a go for me.
      "Simplify, then add lightness." - Colin Chapman

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      • #4
        Tri750
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 1030

        This looks terrible.the lady in the pink top was shooting RH but was sighting with her left eye.
        Yes, poor grip technique too that the instructor also should have corrected.

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        • #5
          MrOrange
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2006
          • 2262

          Originally posted by elSquid
          LA based course teaching new shooters 'combat point shooting' without actually shooting a real gun. "Dry fire", except no apparent attempt to learn how to use sights or trigger management.

          Is this just basically an aerobics class with blue guns?

          -- Michael
          Ima go with that.


          Originally posted by ElDub1950
          It's training, so better than no training for new owners. It's only a $40 intro, and almost certainly the first training most of them have had. And point shooting is an important skill that a lot of us never practice.

          I'm all for it.
          The main reason most of us never practice it is because it doesn't work IRL. I regard it as I would The Black Plague, and I have lasers on all my social sidearms.


          Originally posted by Tri750
          This looks terrible.the lady in the pink top was shooting RH but was sighting with her left eye.
          Yes, poor grip technique too that the instructor also should have corrected.
          I've been shooting handguns like that for nigh on 40 year now and see no reason to change. It's called "cross-dominant", and it doesn't have anything to do with high heels and leather. It's a beach on aerial targets with shotguns, but other than that it's no cause for concern.
          I meant, it is my opinion that...






          I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence
          I would advise violence. - M. Gandhi
          You're my kind of stupid. - M. Reynolds

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          • #6
            Citizen_B
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2014
            • 1431

            Real firearms training would be better, but anything is better than nothing. As a culture we need to stop the growing ignorant victim mentality and be smart, proactive, and aggressive when necessary.

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            • #7
              hermosabeach
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Feb 2009
              • 19721

              Front sight did what the other schools missed... They focused on the average gun owner... They reached those who would never go to gunsight...


              If people can be woken up, it is good training.

              Once they live fire and realize they need training, hopefully the week out and get training
              Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

              Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

              Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

              Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
              (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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              • #8
                Hairball
                Senior Member
                • May 2013
                • 799

                Originally posted by Tri750
                This looks terrible.the lady in the pink top was shooting RH but was sighting with her left eye.
                I shoot right handed and sight with left eye if I need to close one eye as I am cross dominant (right hand/left eye). Nothing wrong with it if it works. I shoot non-optic rifles/shotguns/lever actions left handed and rifles with optics right handed. Have done it for over 40 years

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                • #9
                  8886
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 1730

                  HA HA HA no! That's like learning to shadow box without knowing the fundamentals of boxing much less hitting a pad or getting hit. Unless you have some kind of physical feed back and understanding that there are physical dangers involved it's pointless. At least with the video shooting simulators the slide will move, but if you don't know a bad grip can cause many different problems from accuracy to failure in autoloaders then you might as well go play Time Crises 5.

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                  • #10
                    ZombieLivesMatter
                    Veteran Member
                    • Feb 2016
                    • 2533

                    I guess anything that gets someone one step in to the world of shooting is good, even if that step is a very tiny baby step.
                    Originally posted by gwgn02
                    G-shock, a good way to tell the time, and better way to tell the female variety you are unworthy mating material.

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                    • #11
                      hambam105
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 7083

                      Why do the...persons...who claim point shooting is so great still have sights on their own pistols?

                      Want to learn point shooting, great? See that paper target? Good. Point your pistol at it. Now gimmie $40 bucks.

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                      • #12
                        Can'thavenuthingood
                        C3 Leader
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 5251

                        Originally posted by hambam105
                        Why do the...persons...who claim point shooting is so great still have sights on their own pistols?

                        Want to learn point shooting, great? See that paper target? Good. Point your pistol at it. Now gimmie $40 bucks.
                        That's about what they are doing.

                        Still requires exercising the handling of the gun.
                        Trigger control, loading mags, cleaning, cocking, racking, failure to extract and feed issues and picking up dropped stuff without pointing the gun at someone. Just developing confidence and coordination with a gun for some folks is a major project.

                        I can easily see the validity of a cheap class like this to get the new shooters thinking and practicing. Later they will want to try the sights and might get competitive.

                        Some folks that own guns shoot about once every 3 or 4 years if that.

                        Vick
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                        "Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more." (George Patton)

                        Picnic Time

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