How would you "fixed magazine" a ps90?

[IncVoid]

How do u possibly turn the PS90 into featureless?

Got side tracked in the market place looking for ppt best practices post.

I so want a ps90! But that is a lot of ramen noodles and rice to be eating instead of chocolate sundaes for many moons if I were to save up.
I could probably do it around November, but how would I come up with a magazine fixing device for a ps90? I dont' even know where the take downs are? the only thing I could think of is having longer pins in the action that go through device holding the magazine in place, that is assuming they aren't covered by the ps90 body.

Anybody else have any unique firearms they are eyeballing but wouldn't know how to fix the mags?

I know the method is generally asking like a power point presentation.
What is the Action? How is it disassembled?
How is the magazine removed? How do you couple the two together in a way that doesn't wear out the pins.

[D.A.V.I.D.]

Featureless?

[Lonestargrizzly]

Featureless?


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That looks really hard to control.

[wagon b0y]

register as AW. Ditch bullet button and muzzle extension and put on the factory mag release

[HibikiR]

Register, featureless, or show your engineering chops and design a new magazine that allows you to drop rounds in from some new backend while still letting you release the upper for maintenance.

If you saw that video where Jerry Miculek loads an SKS, it might work like that. The PS90 simply doesn't lend itself well to Bullet Button 2.0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c7ZTcNTC5s

[IncVoid]

Featureless?

I forgot all about that picture, I seen that! Has that worked in the past? I know I know, we don't need the DOJ blessing and it's all here say and useless anyway. that it isn't a Fwd vertical grip? the "web of the hand" works for grip and fwd grip? Tight I like it! Just don't have long fingers lol. Worst case scenario you have to put some kinda of monsterman grip-esqe that goes foward.

register as AW. Ditch bullet button and muzzle extension and put on the factory mag release

Not gonna implement gun confiscation via my own funeral, although being buried with a gun does sound like a cool service. I wonder if I can have a Last will and Testament that tells my executor to featureless my firearms and un-AW it after my death with DOJ(heard ya can un-register an AW but haven't looked into it.).

If it was legal for any future kids I have to dig me up to "inherit" my guns at a later time heh. Can I be buried in a gun safe for them to dig up later? probably very corrosive to the guns as well heh. ohwell. just random thoughts.

Register, featureless, or show your engineering chops and design a new magazine that allows you to drop rounds in from some new backend while still letting you release the upper for maintenance.

Peaking my interest now. I gotta look at some ps90 takedown/maintenance videos and see if there is any room to attach a cover or tang that'll sandwich in the place. Thinking similarly as if an ak47 dustcover was attached so that the carrier spring had to come off for the dust cover to be unattached, and a mag lock device is dependent on that dust cover. With a ps90, it'd be a mag cover heh.

[wagon b0y]

I forgot all about that picture, I seen that! Has that worked in the past? I know I know, we don't need the DOJ blessing and it's all here say and useless anyway. that it isn't a Fwd vertical grip? the "web of the hand" works for grip and fwd grip? Tight I like it! Just don't have long fingers lol. Worst case scenario you have to put some kinda of monsterman grip-esqe that goes foward.



Not gonna implement gun confiscation via my own funeral, although being buried with a gun does sound like a cool service. I wonder if I can have a Last will and Testament that tells my executor to featureless my firearms and un-AW it after my death with DOJ(heard ya can un-register an AW but haven't looked into it.).

If it was legal for any future kids I have to dig me up to "inherit" my guns at a later time heh. Can I be buried in a gun safe for them to dig up later? probably very corrosive to the guns as well heh. ohwell. just random thoughts.

You can de register it at a later time if you take off the features. And after you die your estate has 90 days to sell, make featureless, destroy the rifle.

Massachusetts just banned featureless rifles today. CA probably do it next year and if they don't open up the RAW list again featureless rifles will be screwed.

[IncVoid]

You can de register it at a later time if you take off the features. And after you die your estate has 90 days to sell, make featureless, destroy the rifle.

Massachusetts just banned featureless rifles today. CA probably do it next year and if they don't open up the RAW list again featureless rifles will be screwed.

So it can be done after death? That sounds awesome.

*edit* deleted my Massachusetts comments, keeps distracting me from the ps90.

anywho, ps90 is tough. the takedown is below the magazine...wow!!! Unless the magazine had a block in it and hole that inherently held the magazine, a takedown button that is the magazine catch could work.Take a cue from delayed blowback? Delayed mag release, that initially presses the takedown button?

If the old mag release didn't move, so you literally had to pull the Upper out to get clearance to move the mag, like there is no room for the mag to pivot in position?

I know we're already limited to 10 rounds, so a block in the mag that is the 10rnd mag limiter that latched into a modified takedown button? Rivot the mag to the mag guide rail things?
What if you just made the take down button longer so a regular mag would press it down? Nah, its confusing because I keep thinking that I'm trying to prevent access to the take down somehow?

I'll give the sks video a gander.
I'm already liking this guy, I like his zip ties use. "no ammunition on the table" yup I've made that mistake before.

[wagon b0y]

So it can be done after death? That sounds awesome.

Thats what i've read multiple times on here.

[IncVoid]

Thats what i've read multiple times on here.

has anybody actually done this? unregistered an AW by converted..or died and had it done. sad thought.

[Steve1968LS2]

You can't really fix a magazine to a PS90.. and be able to load it.

I have one.. it has a bullet button and a shroud to make it the legal length.

I plan on making it featureless .. I have two stocks, one for CA and for for when I shoot it out of state. Shooting it in CA is just too sad.

To make featureless you will have to fabricate your own block off plates as shown in that first picture. I don't know of anyone that makes them.

[Quiet]

So it can be done after death? That sounds awesome.

Nope.
Only the registered owner can de-register a RAW.
If the owner is deceased, then it can not be de-registered.

Per CA laws [PC 30915], only the following options are allowed (must be done within 90 days):
A. Render the firearm permanently inoperable. [PC 30915(a)]
B. Sell it to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit. [PC 30915(b)]
C. Obtain a CA DOJ Dangerous Weapons Permit for an assault weapon. [PC 30915(c)]
D. Take it out-of-state for storage or to sell through an out-of-state FFL dealer. [PC 30915(d)]



Penal Code 30915
Any person who obtains title to an assault weapon registered under this article or that was possessed pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 30630 by bequest or intestate succession shall, within 90 days, do one or more of the following:
(a) Render the weapon permanently inoperable.
(b) Sell the weapon to a licensed gun dealer.
(c) Obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.
(d) Remove the weapon from this state.

[IncVoid]

Nope.
Only the registered owner can de-register a RAW.
If the owner is deceased, then it can not be de-registered.

Per CA laws [PC 30915], only the following options are allowed (must be done within 90 days):
A. Render the firearm permanently inoperable. [PC 30915(a)]
B. Sell it to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit. [PC 30915(b)]
C. Obtain a CA DOJ Dangerous Weapons Permit for an assault weapon. [PC 30915(c)]
D. Take it out-of-state for storage or to sell through an out-of-state FFL dealer. [PC 30915(d)]



Penal Code 30915
Any person who obtains title to an assault weapon registered under this article or that was possessed pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 30630 by bequest or intestate succession shall, within 90 days, do one or more of the following:
(a) Render the weapon permanently inoperable.
(b) Sell the weapon to a licensed gun dealer.
(c) Obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.
(d) Remove the weapon from this state.

Is it not considered the "obtained" or "bequest" or "intestate succession"d yet if its done by the executor? I know things like power of attorney supposedly go away when the person dies, so I can see how you can't unregister it.
Maybe the "executor" kinda takes title to it in that kinda thinking as well.

WAIT!? does that mean machine guns can be passed down to somebody if the child has a permit or obtains one in 90 days? I assume they need to be "in the biz" like hollywood/armory etc. Too bad.

You'd wish it mentioned AW permits too...
"mom passed away during the 2017 AW window guidelines, so I got to inherit"
Making it as Worf might say, "a good day to die"

double wait. Sell it to a gun dealer, and they unregister it for you and they sell it back?
FFLs that offer executor services? Sounds like a question for the FFL forum.

Register, featureless, or show your engineering chops and design a new magazine that allows you to drop rounds in from some new backend while still letting you release the upper for maintenance.

If you saw that video where Jerry Miculek loads an SKS, it might work like that. The PS90 simply doesn't lend itself well to Bullet Button 2.0

Hey HibikiR! what you think of using the left side of the magazine as a guide rail when decompressing the spring to reload like an sks. Think of the henry split tube magazine, but no side loading door? like telescopic kinda. I think it would need a side/top loading port otherwise you'd lose the lil rollers. The mag would have to be half the size to give it room to take the spring/follower out.


Maybe a single stack mag that gave access to the takedown button as well? It only has the one feed ramp on bottom. the spring would also have to be half the size

I don't own a PS90, but the Henry split tube idea might be the way to go. Having a hole in the body of the magazine to depress the button for the upper would still work in that design.

future quote I'm thinking it might have to be riveted to the upper "sight rail" to hold it it in place. I am thinking if you can shim something below the to access the take down plunger, just make the old catch not move at all. so you have to move the upper forward to get enough clearance.

[HibikiR]

I don't own a PS90, but the Henry split tube idea might be the way to go. Having a hole in the body of the magazine to depress the button for the upper would still work in that design.

[Quiet]

Is it not considered the "obtained" or "bequest" or "intestate succession"d yet if its done by the executor? I know things like power of attorney supposedly go away when the person dies, so I can see how you can't unregister it.
Maybe the "executor" kinda takes title to it in that kinda thinking as well.

A few years back, friend of mine with a RAW died.
The Executor of his Estate contacted CA DOJ BOF to try and de-register the RAW.
CA DOJ BOF informed him only the owner of the RAW can de-register it and since the owner is deceased it can no longer be de-registered.

WAIT!? does that mean machine guns can be passed down to somebody if the child has a permit or obtains one in 90 days? I assume they need to be "in the biz" like hollywood/armory etc. Too bad.

You'd wish it mentioned AW permits too...
"mom passed away during the 2017 AW window guidelines, so I got to inherit"
Making it as Worf might say, "a good day to die"

CA has Dangerous Weapons Permits for:
1. Destructive Device
2. Machine Gun
3. Short Barrel Rifle
4. Short Barrel Shotgun
5. Assault Weapon / .50BMG Rifle

In order to get a Dangerous Weapons Permit, you need a "good cause".

Inheriting it is not a valid "good cause".

Acceptable "good cause" for obtaining a Dangerous Weapons Permit.
1. For importing, making, and transferring to Gov/Mil/LE agencies, LEOs, and FFLs.
2. For training, research, and development pursuant to a Gov/Mil contract.
3. For use as a prop in the entertainment (movie/tv) industry.
4. For repair and maintenance for legal owners (Gov/Mil/LE agency and DWP holders).

Dangerous Weapons Permits have more restrictions and conditions than RAWs.
(transportation, storage, inspection, annual fees)

double wait. Sell it to a gun dealer, and they unregister it for you and they sell it back?
FFLs that offer executor services? Sounds like a question for the FFL forum.

For the last several years, CA DOJ BOF have been informing CA FFL dealers with assault weapons permits that it is a violation of their good cause for having the permit to convert assault weapons into non-assault weapons and that doing so, is grounds to have their permit revoked and their inventory confiscated.

Which means the CA FFL dealer can not legally de-register an assault weapon by making it into a non-assault weapon.