ARMS haters

[etruscan]

so im looking around on ar15.com and checking out some of the free state AR pics (makes me want to move) and i begin to notice one striking similarity between all the pics: everyone is either running larue or daniel defense components exclusively. one person who posts pics all the time posted a shot that contained an ARMS #40 and an aimpoint mount. he immediately got flack for supporting ARMS. can anyone explain this? larue and daniel defense make some great stuff but why the ARMS haters?

[bwiese]

ARFcommers are weird.

Nothing wrong with ARMS.

Guessing: perhaps ARMS doesn't advertise on ARFcom and therefore the members wanna support a supporting business.

[6172crew]

I think ARMS is being used by the folks in the sandbox right now, whats good for them is good for me.

I do know that the Larue guy post on AR15 and is always asking for feedback and the folks working for him must try the stuff they make so they can get an idea as what its used for and how well it works.

[etruscan]

just to make things clear: i have no beef with ARMS and like their products. but like previously mentioned, it is really kinda weird. you can support the companies that support the website but why would you not support a company who is, as mentioned by 6172, involved in the war effort? but as ive seen on arf before, some people just love to hate....esp on california. (warning: tangent ) man, i was talking to some folks a few days ago about how it seems that no one else in our great country likes CA except CA. as hard/easy as it is to look north or east and see unmolested ARs etc, i really dont want to leave this state. one guy who was discussing this situation with me said that when he was living in the netherlands, he sometimes told people he was from CA and sometimes from the USA. which do you think got a more positive response? lets just say he chose to rep CA more often than not. i guess i can answer my own digression: i really dislike David Beckham (euro soccer star) but i guess its because he has everything i dont yet have : a couple Bentleys, millions of pounds/euros, celebrity, spicegirl wife.... who would leave that? hehehe

[shonc99]

We bought some ARMS mounts for our units 727's (standard M-16" carbine w/ col stock) and they work just fine. We bought the ones which replace the handguards without removing the barrel. Technically, we aren't allowed to change anything on the weapon as it comes from the armory . I haven't heard any negative flak about the company or products but they are more expensive than others. Personally I would prefer more smooth lines/ less rails that don't collect dust and dirt. They look cool, but are hell to keep clean.

[blkA4alb]

I have an A.R.M.S. throw lever track mount for my Nightforce scope and its been good. I do have to say that the levers are not really quick disconnect as they are really hard to close fully and I have to use some sort of cloth as leverage to get them open. But the zero repeatablity is right on, taking it on and off it goes right back to zero. And it is SOLID.

[PIRATE14]

Well not nockin ARFCOM it's a great site but........

As usual it's the accessory of the month club, there are good and bad things about any thing you can toss on a rifle, if the product didn't work they wouldn't last more than a few months.....

Some guys like LaRue, others like Daniel Def, some still use ARMS.

They all have the plus and minus about each one.

The latest craze on ARFCOM is shill accts that certain manufactures or their employees have set-up to knock other products and tout their own, ARMS was one of them plus others as well.

[bwiese]

The latest craze on ARFCOM is shill accts that certain manufactures or their employees have set-up to knock other products and tout their own, ARMS was one of them plus others as well.

Yeah, Leitner-Wise had a shill acct (apparently, not with corporate support). And another vendor of general AR parts was trolling other businesses to not drop prices and, in essence, engage in illegal price-fixing.

Still, the E.E. is a good place for buyers to collide with sellers in an 'open-air market' environment..

I visit the CA hometown forum on ARFcom but some of the legal discussions there often contain plain out & out wrong info, often supplied by non-Californians. The legal issue discussion(s) on Calguns are far better IMHO.

[PistolKidd]

The whole thing with ARMS is the same thing with LW.. SHILL accounts..

ARMS setup several "annonymous" accounts and hyped their products by various means, including disparaging other manufacturers by responding to threads that weren't pro-ARMS. L-W apparently also tried a similar tactic and is(has) been dealt with. I dont know much more as Im tired of trying to follow all of it. Way to much drama, and I've read all i've cared to about it.

Suffice to say, I have no plans to support either company in any of my future purchases. IMHO, if you pull this kind of stunt, you should be punished for it. There are plenty of other competitors out there for the type of work ARMS does as well as what LW is putting out. I can use larue, knights.. or Colt and POF..

If you need to 'heckle' someone's product, then well, that says a lot about how much confidence you have in your kit..

In short, both companies show(ed) an amazingly lack of integrity and were 'caught' on ARF.com This is probably why someone got bashed for using an ARMS product.

[mltrading]

Nothing wrong with A.R.M.S. We just sold a bunch of #40 and #40L.

The illusion seen on ARFCOM is nothing. Some manufacturers/distributors do more advertisements than others. Just common shill account tricks.

To me, what are used by our GIs are good for me.

[etruscan]

okay, help me out here. what does shill mean or stand for?

[DV8]

As mentioned above, a lot of ppl on AR15.com just like the latest and the greatest. Though there are a lot of knowlegeable guys there, you just have to cut through all the BS sometimes to get the real meat.

I dont go there as much as I used to though, I find myself spending more time on M4carbine.net. Its great now, but I'm sure its going to turn into an ARF.com shortly.

[Centurion_D]

I have a Knights Armament rail system on my ar..wonder what they think about that

[xsquid]

okay, help me out here. what does shill mean or stand for?

Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill#S...message_boards

[rkt88edmo]

Before TWOT and LaRue became popular ARMS was definitely held in the high regard on arfcom, but the game has changed a lot.

The shill account thing is pretty annoying though - would you support a vendor that came to CG just to put other vendors down and without revealing that they are actually a competitor?