Which 223 ammo for Home Defense?

[ChuckDizzle]

Any brand of XM193 is about the same i guess? ...Crazy question, but humor me cause I dont know much about this type of ammo, but is there a diff. between the basic 223 fmj or xm193?

No worries friend, I had the same question when starting out. Feel fortunate you are smart enough to ask.

Yes, aside from pressure and chamber differences the xm193 bullet has a cantilever crimp which is crucial to providing a weak point in the projectile which initiates the fragmentation that makes a rifle projectile so much more devestating than a handgun. I believe the crimp was designed to prevent set back and loading issues in automatic military application, and the fragmentation effects were a happy coincidence.

Unlike self defense handgun bullets rifle bullets are often designed to fragment, and travel at such velocity that many do so naturally in FMJ form. Remember without a jacket most rifle bullets are so fast they wouldn't survive the spin put on them in the barrel.

[9mm84]

No worries friend, I had the same question when starting out. Feel fortunate you are smart enough to ask.

Yes, aside from pressure and chamber differences the xm193 bullet has a cantilever crimp which is crucial to providing a weak point in the projectile which initiates the fragmentation that makes a rifle projectile so much more devestating than a handgun. I believe the crimp was designed to prevent set back and loading issues in automatic military application, and the fragmentation effects were a happy coincidence.

Unlike self defense handgun bullets rifle bullets are often designed to fragment, and travel at such velocity that many do so naturally in FMJ form. Remember without a jacket most rifle bullets are so fast they wouldn't survive the spin put on them in the barrel.

Thanks for all the info. Im obviously pretty new to the AR world, so I have lots of questions. Thanks for the help...One more question for you, what do you think about the mk318?

[DaveInOroValley]

Personally for home use I prefer Glaser Safety Slugs. Expensive, yes but proven not to be a threat to exiting a wall or into another neighbor's house.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/glaser-rifle-safety-223-45-grain-gssa-6-rounds?a=1596226

[ChuckDizzle]

Thanks for all the info. Im obviously pretty new to the AR world, so I have lots of questions. Thanks for the help...One more question for you, what do you think about the mk318?

I haven't shot any yet, but it seems to be a good cartridge. Better accuracy potential than M855, buy maintaining the barrier penetration requirements of that load. However, I haven't seen an thing yet that shows it is better on a block of gel at 10 yards than xm193.

[Doheny]

Which 223 ammo for Home Defense?

I'm thinking any 223 is going to ruin the bad guy's day.

[Cody]

Lol, you're believing marketing hype for expensive ammo.

Any projectile capable of penetrating to the vitals of a human will easily pass through interior and even most exterior walls of homes. A xm193 bullet penetrates roughly 12-14" of gel, which is the sweet spot for a defensive cartridge, your $1.25 TAP bullets will penetrate the same

It won't pass through as many 2x4 studs in the walls or as much sheetrock. I've tested it. Have you?

[ChuckDizzle]

It won't pass through as many 2x4 studs in the walls or as much sheetrock. I've tested it. Have you?

Yes, but a better question is why are you making a choice on the assumption of an astronomically unlikely event occurring? Are you really expecting to hit multiple studs in multiple walls in a defensive shooting? No you aren't, you like the subtle marketing gimmicks behind the product. It has a kick butt name like TAP, which is kind sounds pretty bad a**.

You are paying for marketing materials and "low muzzle flash powder" in a cartridge most likely to be fired from a rifle with a muzzle device that eliminates muzzle flash.

But hey, it's your money.



Wow, that's like the exact same thing as this.

[9mm84]

FEDERAL FUSION: This seems like good stuff for HD.....good penetration but not over pentration with good weight retention and reasonably priced.

https://www.federalpremium.com/products/brands/fusion.aspx

[ChuckDizzle]

FEDERAL FUSION: This seems like good stuff for HD.....good penetration but not over pentration with good weight retention and reasonably priced.

https://www.federalpremium.com/produ...ds/fusion.aspx

Fragmentation, at decent depth is a good thing in a defensive rifle projectile.

It is good in hunting because weight retention leads to usually straighter paths of the bullet as it penetrates through what is hopefully a heart or lungs rather than turning.

But this isn't much of a concern against humans inside of 10 yards.

[Cody]

Yes, but a better question is why are you making a choice on the assumption of an astronomically unlikely event occurring? Are you really expecting to hit multiple studs in multiple walls in a defensive shooting? No you aren't, you like the subtle marketing gimmicks behind the product. It has a kick butt name like TAP, which is kind sounds pretty bad a**.

You are paying for marketing materials and "low muzzle flash powder" in a cartridge most likely to be fired from a rifle with a muzzle device that eliminates muzzle flash.

But hey, it's your money.

Last time I checked walls are made from wood and sheetrock and not gel. If you think the bullet reacts the same then you need to study up on your ballistics. But hey it's your family on the other side of those walls not mine. The good thing is you can tell them you saved a couple bucks on home protection ammo.
Here's how .223 V-max ammo and FMJ ammo react differently through layers of sheetrock (yeah not the same).

[ChuckDizzle]

.223 v max doesn't penetrate far enough to be lethal in many cases.

Nice try though. I bet your TAP ammo looks the same as the FMJ photos.

[ChuckDizzle]

I repeat any projectile capable of reliably penetrating to the vitals of a human being will also easily pass through multiple interior walls.

It's science.

[syntaxerror]

Speer .223 in 75 grain.

[Colt]

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/20rds-223-federal-le-tactical-tru-64gr-sp-ammo

[Brush Guard]

Here is a Calguns post from 2010. First reply looks informative.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-317712.html