CCW in action...

[Freagan]

I was surprised that the mother just stood there instead of getting out of the way.

that was my initial reaction, she just left her daughter sitting up there on the counter while the place was being robbed! you would think she would have pulled her off and away from the bad man with a gun, instead she just sits there patiently waiting as if to continue her transaction after hes gone.

[huna koa]

coulda-woulda-shoulda

Absolutely NOT!! He could've killed that child very easily. Extremely poor judgement as I see it.

none of us were there; and your opinion is just that; an opinion; which does not deal with reality. Your opinion is referring to what didn't happen, you're not addressing the facts, the truth...hello? Hellllloooo?

[TheBundo]

The bad guy might have killed EVERYONE once they handed over the money

[Kid Stanislaus]

none of us were there; and your opinion is just that; an opinion; which does not deal with reality. Your opinion is referring to what didn't happen, you're not addressing the facts, the truth...hello? Hellllloooo?

I don't deny that its just my opinion, just like all the others who posted on this scenario. The FACTS you say? The FACT is that the child was very close to the line of fire. The FACT is this guy could've just handed over the money and collected from his insurance agency. He had maybe some kind of hero complex or an "itchy trigger finger" but that shoot was just flat unnecessary (again, my opinion). Yeah, the woman was dumb as a bag of hammers (my opinion) for just standing there with her kid but that's in fact what she did.

[rrr70]

I don't deny that its just my opinion, just like all the others who posted on this scenario. The FACTS you say? The FACT is that the child was very close to the line of fire. The FACT is this guy could've just handed over the money and collected from his insurance agency. He had maybe some kind of hero complex or an "itchy trigger finger" but that shoot was just flat unnecessary (again, my opinion). Yeah, the woman was dumb as a bag of hammers (my opinion) for just standing there with her kid but that's in fact what she did.

What's the reason than to have a CCW?

[Crusader]

I remember the first time I saw that video. I was like, daaaamn.

What I find funny is, look at all the dust blowing around after the shots. It's like the concussion rattled the sealing panels loose and shook the dust everywhere.

Oh yeah, and they are all deaf too.

[Turbinator]

The bad guy might have killed EVERYONE once they handed over the money

Yup. The CCW holder did what he could given the circumstances. The fact that he DIDN'T harm anyone else except the robber in this case tells me that he made the RIGHT choice in his decision to draw. It is difficult to armchair analyze the scenario when many of us have never been in the same situation. I say kudos to him and his willingness to save the innocent people who were there with him.

Turby

[Experimentalist]

Yup. The CCW holder did what he could given the circumstances. The fact that he DIDN'T harm anyone else except the robber in this case tells me that he made the RIGHT choice in his decision to draw. It is difficult to armchair analyze the scenario when many of us have never been in the same situation. I say kudos to him and his willingness to save the innocent people who were there with him.

Turby

Well said.

It is often difficult for good people to make the mental adjustments necessary to adequately deal with a predator. There is a powerful seduction in hoping all will work out well, and that the bad guy won't hurt you.

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman has an excellent set of CD's on the topic titled "The Bullet Proof Mind - Prevailing in Violent Encounters... and After". I highly recommend it. You can find it here: http://www.narescue.com/product1_08....Product_ID=187 There is a wealth of information here that can help you deal with high-stress situations in general, and life-threatening situations in particular.

Lt. Col Grossman is well known for his work on the book "On Killing". I've heard this is also an excellent work although I have not yet personally read it.

[JDay]

I don't deny that its just my opinion, just like all the others who posted on this scenario. The FACTS you say? The FACT is that the child was very close to the line of fire. The FACT is this guy could've just handed over the money and collected from his insurance agency. He had maybe some kind of hero complex or an "itchy trigger finger" but that shoot was just flat unnecessary (again, my opinion). Yeah, the woman was dumb as a bag of hammers (my opinion) for just standing there with her kid but that's in fact what she did.

Anyone who commits an armed robbery should be prepared to die. And who is to say that if he hadn't shot the robber that next time the robber wouldn't kill someone?

[Tarn_Helm]

+1

It's actually pretty old. The guy in the video is a poster on arf which is how the security footage got leaked. It's hard to tell but the bad guy only made it a couple feet past the door where the police found him and pronouced him dead at the scene.

From what I remember, he said the lady and child made mention that they weren't anti-gun but weren't pro-gun either, but they couldn't express enough gratitude to him for doing what he did. Right off the top of my head I wanted to say it was a Glock 22 using Hydras, but the more I think about it the more I want to say it was a Glock 19 using those new Talons (forgot their name).

[bold added]

Sigh.

3 cheers for us.

Anybody got any new footage of victories?

[jipham]

I believe the dust speckling is the fact that the robber got a shot off and hit somewhere in the vicinity of the camera, hence why both clerks ducked. Also it seems to me that the clerk headed towards the door in order to retrieve the robbers gun. If you look closely you see him kind of kicking the gun out of the way. That's just my perception.

With regards to the shooting, I believe it was quite justified. The reasons to carry a CCW are because of scenarios like that. If you're not comfortable shooting "close" to other people, then you really shouldn't be carrying a CCW. Then again people have different definitions of "close".

[Capt. Speirs]

Good shooting.

Good shooting my ***, he did not have a clear shot with the mother and child that close, what an idiot. Let him take the money call out "get down" then cap him when you have the shot.

[valleyguy]

I did feel for the lady cashier a bit -- it looked like that first shot was right next to her ear. Hope she still has her hearing!

[huna koa]

The fact is

I don't deny that its just my opinion, just like all the others who posted on this scenario. The FACTS you say? The FACT is that the child was very close to the line of fire. The FACT is this guy could've just handed over the money and collected from his insurance agency. He had maybe some kind of hero complex or an "itchy trigger finger" but that shoot was just flat unnecessary (again, my opinion). Yeah, the woman was dumb as a bag of hammers (my opinion) for just standing there with her kid but that's in fact what she did.

that you're still not dealing with what really happened; and you're interjecting yourself into the situation and what you would've done. The facts that you're espousing are not, and cannot be construed as facts because they are false; those events did not occur and so they cannot be called FACTS.You don't count and I don't count because we weren't there. What really matters is what went down in real time; the man did a great job. And that woman with the child, none of us know what she was thinking or feeling; she is who she is and she reacted the way she did only because that is who she is; another person would've possibly reacted differently. But let's not move in another direction; stay with the facts,the truth, and reality.

[JDay]

Good shooting my ***, he did not have a clear shot with the mother and child that close, what an idiot. Let him take the money call out "get down" then cap him when you have the shot.

The camera angle most likely made her appear closer to the BG than she was. And how can you be so sure the BG wasn't just going to shoot the witnesses right when he got the money? It happens. I'm also pretty sure yelling "GET DOWN" would have warned the BG in time for him to get the first shot off.