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  • Alaric
    Banned
    • Sep 2008
    • 3216

    Breaking Apartment Lease Using UOC

    OK, so here's my situation and a plan I'm formulating, any and all feedback is appreciated.

    I'm currently in a year lease on my apartment, about 6 months in. I've also been searching for a home to buy, and am close to making a purchase and moving. Clearly I need to break the lease somehow, preferably without paying any penalties or having it negatively affect my credit.

    The apartment lease has a provision prohibiting firearms possession entirely. This seems ridiculously extreme and a total violation of my 2nd Amd. rights. Here's a copy of the provision banning firearm possession:
    "13. PROHIBITED CONDUCT.
    13.1 In General. You will not engage in, and you will not permit Occupants or Guests to engage in, the following activities in the Apartment Community: (1) loud or obnoxious conduct; (2) disturbing or threatening the rights, comfort, health, safety, or convenience of others or our employees, agents or vendors; (3) engaging in or threatening violence; (4) marking or defacing any building, structure or any other property; (5) discharging a firearm; (6) displaying or possessing a gun, knife or other item, which is intended to be used as a weapon; (7) soliciting business or contributions; (8) storing anything that is flammable; (9) tampering with utilities or any sub-meter or other measuring device or system for utilities; (10) possessing or handling hazardous materials; (11) using candles or lamps, which create or contain a flame; (12) disrupting our business operations; and (13) engaging in any other conduct prohibited by the Lease."

    The apartment complex I live in is huge, many multiple unit buildings, and across the street from a public middle school.

    One option I've been considering for ending my lease early is to engage in unloaded open carry in the common area of the apartment complex. My hope being that this would get me evicted, and possibly set me up to challenge their ridiculous anti-firearm rule and maybe get it removed altogether. My concern is that I may get arrested since guns are outright prohibited in the lease. Also, with the school right across the street, even though this is private property, with the lease provision banning guns could I be charged with possession within 10000' of a school?

    Any lawyer or UOC types who want to chime in, please do.

    Apologies in advance if this is a dupe. I searched and couldn't find anything directly addressing this scenario.
  • #2
    sorensen440
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2007
    • 8612

    Thats friggin awesome
    I say do it !
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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    • #3
      Alaric
      Banned
      • Sep 2008
      • 3216

      Maybe I should've posted this in the 2nd Amendment section...

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      • #4
        FreedomIsNotFree
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2006
        • 3657

        Bad idea for a number of different reasons.

        First, you signed the lease. Did you NOT know what was in the lease before you signed it? Also, you should know that HOA's traditionally ask you to sign off on a number of legal rights you may otherwise have as a home owner/lessee....its all perfectly legal as long as its not discriminatory, such as race, sexual orientation, age...etc..etc.

        Second, if you decide to UOC within 1000' of a school that you readily acknowledge you are aware of you will likely face criminal charges.

        Third, if you break the lease by violating a rule, you will likely be evicted AND stuck with the costs associated with breaking the lease and eviction if necessary.

        Bad idea all the way around.
        It is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong. -Voltaire

        Good people sleep peaceably in their bed at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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        • #5
          Alaric
          Banned
          • Sep 2008
          • 3216

          Originally posted by Caiman
          I've pm'ed you the numbers for my landlord attorney. He should be able to answer your question.

          Another option that you have is to find a person to take over your lease, Not subletting, but to fill out the forms and take occupancy. Most management firms will allow this as they retain a occupied unit and don't have to go through the hassels of suing you in court for the months that you broke the lease. You'll still be liable for any missed days between you moving out the the new tenant moving in.
          Much appreciated, I might be needing that info.

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          • #6
            Steve G
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2005
            • 1931

            start walking around naked. That should take care of eviction

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            • #7
              Alaric
              Banned
              • Sep 2008
              • 3216

              Originally posted by FreedomIsNotFree
              Bad idea for a number of different reasons.

              First, you signed the lease. Did you NOT know what was in the lease before you signed it? Also, you should know that HOA's traditionally ask you to sign off on a number of legal rights you may otherwise have as a home owner/lessee....its all perfectly legal as long as its not discriminatory, such as race, sexual orientation, age...etc..etc.
              Is it not discriminatory toward gun owners to have such a provision though? Shouldn't legal protection explicitly called out in the Bill of Rights be akin to creating a "protected class" of people and thus equate such lease provisions to discrimination?

              Originally posted by FreedomIsNotFree
              Second, if you decide to UOC within 1000' of a school that you readily acknowledge you are aware of you will likely face criminal charges.
              It is still on private property though... doesn't this matter?

              Originally posted by FreedomIsNotFree
              Third, if you break the lease by violating a rule, you will likely be evicted AND stuck with the costs associated with breaking the lease and eviction if necessary.

              Bad idea all the way around.
              I'd be willing to take the risk if it might help out other legal gun owners stuck in similarly discriminatory rental situations.

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              • #8
                Alaric
                Banned
                • Sep 2008
                • 3216

                Originally posted by Steve G
                start walking around naked. That should take care of eviction
                That would likely get me arrested as well as result in whoever saw me trying to claw their own eyes out.

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                • #9
                  HowardW56
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 5901

                  I'd find an old wallhanger rifle and hang it where it can be seen through the window...

                  And then I'd light my candles by the window every weekend...
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                  • #10
                    Alaric
                    Banned
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 3216

                    Originally posted by HowardW56
                    I'd find an old wallhanger rifle and hang it where it can be seen through the window...

                    And then I'd light my candles by the window every weekend...
                    For that matter, they also ban anything flammable. I s'pose I could be evicted just for being in possession of clothes, furniture and anything else that'll burn.

                    Absurdity and oppression at it's finest.

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                    • #11
                      FreedomIsNotFree
                      Veteran Member
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 3657

                      Originally posted by Alaric
                      Is it not discriminatory toward gun owners to have such a provision though? Shouldn't legal protection explicitly called out in the Bill of Rights be akin to creating a "protected class" of people and thus equate such lease provisions to discrimination?
                      No its not discriminatory towards gun owners. You signed the lease. Again, are you saying you didn't read the lease, or in legal terms "consider" the details before signing? And no, gun owners are not a "protected class".



                      It is still on private property though... doesn't this matter?
                      No, common areas of apartment buildings or town homes are not considered YOUR property and therefore do not fall into the exemption categories.


                      I'd be willing to take the risk if it might help out other legal gun owners stuck in similarly discriminatory rental situations.
                      There is no opportunity for you to win based on the reasoning you described. You would be doing nothing for the gun rights movement whatsoever...only ensuring legal problems for yourself, both civil and possibly criminal.
                      It is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong. -Voltaire

                      Good people sleep peaceably in their bed at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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                      • #12
                        Rivers
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 1630

                        a contract containing an illegal clause may be thrown out by any judge regardless of whether you understood it or not. I would talk to the property manager first and offer them a choice. Either they voluntarily terminate your lease without penalty or you move and sue them for violating your 2A rights. That will add your legal, moving and other expenses to their liabilities. Use the just-resolved NRA vs. SF public housing case in your presentation to management.
                        Last edited by Rivers; 01-16-2009, 3:57 PM.
                        NRA Certified Instructor: Basic Pistol Shooting

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                        • #13
                          berto
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 7723

                          Ask the prop. manager for help in getting out of the lease. Worst they can do is refuse. Attempting to break the lease through UOC will likely cost you much more than 6 months of rent.
                          "There are no outdoor sports as graceful as throwing stones at a dictatorship." Ai WeiWei

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                          • #14
                            Alaric
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 3216

                            Originally posted by FreedomIsNotFree
                            No its not discriminatory towards gun owners. You signed the lease. Again, are you saying you didn't read the lease, or in legal terms "consider" the details before signing? And no, gun owners are not a "protected class".
                            No, common areas of apartment buildings or town homes are not considered YOUR property and therefore do not fall into the exemption categories.

                            There is no opportunity for you to win based on the reasoning you described. You would be doing nothing for the gun rights movement whatsoever...only ensuring legal problems for yourself, both civil and possibly criminal.
                            Thanks for the feedback, but forgive me if I don't directly answer this question. I wouldn't want anything said here to come back to me later.

                            I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that there are certain "freedoms" that can't be signed away even when entering into a contract. If gun ownership isn't one of those, it should be.

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                            • #15
                              Kid Stanislaus
                              Veteran Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 4419

                              What Rivers sed, and do contact that lawyer. Don't buy yourself a whole bunch of trouble.
                              Things usually turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out.

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