Big open carry writeup

[pullnshoot25]

OC'd yesterday at Westfield UTC, Chili's and AMC 12 with some fellow Calgunners. Read the writeup on my blog (in sig line)

-N8

[DVLDOC]

I'm surprised no one called the cops when you were in Mira Mesa.

[xxdabroxx]

Keep fighting the good fight!

[Turbinator]

Nice job. Thanks again for pushing the limits of social boundaries (while well within the law).

Turby

[glockfu]

Nice!

[Glock_XXI]

Good job

BTW Cool blog.

[Rivers]

This is funny! I was in the UTC Apple store around 5:30 yesterday and saw a guy carrying two mags on his left and a 1911 with an empty magwell on his right. (Apparently that was Chris.) He also had an unloaded open carry pamphlet in his right rear pocket.

What was funny was that there were all sorts of customers waiting in line both ahead and behind, more customers to the sides, no alarms or sirens, no screaming or mass-rushing to the exit doors. In fact, it was pretty much like any other time in an Apple store. (Something which beats the heck out of being a neighbor to those stores in this economy! Those neighbors must be very depressed seeing all the Apple store customers while their own stores are empty.)

I was in a rush to leave but spoke with my sales guy while he invoiced me. I explained that the UOC was legal in CA and what the UOC movement is about. He was very cool about it and apparently the store's staff as a whole is pretty non-judgmental about this topic. I didn't see any staffers do anything unusual about "people with guns, the sky is falling!" or anything like that. Very smoothly done, guys!

[tombinghamthegreat]

Thanks to your efforts people, LEO and others are being more educated on the OC movement..with incorporation the OC movement can gain even more followers.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

Good job. But I have a feeling that the cops in Mira Mesa weren't for you. They were there because the area has gone down hill the last few years, and they NEED to be there. Next time give people a heads up when you plan to do this, so more of us can show up.

-Mb

[Jonathan Doe]

Open carry, unloaded. What does it accomplish? What is the point of carrying a pistol open unloaded? Educate me please. I believe if you carry a loaded mag and the pistol near it would be considered carrying a loaded gun which is a violation of 12031 PC.

[tombinghamthegreat]

. I believe if you carry a loaded mag and the pistol near it would be considered carrying a loaded gun which is a violation of 12031 PC.

FUD

It is legal to OC a mag and gun right next each other, as long as it is not in a pistion to be fired(people vs clark, 12025,12031). You could OC a unloaded shotgun with shells on the stock. The benfet of carrying a long gun is that you could conceal the long gun as long as it is unloaded and you are not in a school zone.

[grammaton76]

Open carry, unloaded. What does it accomplish? What is the point of carrying a pistol open unloaded? Educate me please.

Primarily, PR and "societal readjustment". Hoplophobia exists partially because people don't see non-uniformed folks with guns unless it's on TV and they're bad guys. The more they see "Ok, there was a gun around and no one died", the less irrational paranoia is going to happen.

In a personal self defense context, it is just about useless other than the fact you have a handy blunt melee weapon on your hip. In a group self defense context it's invaluable.

If a maniac commences firing on you, you're likely dead.
If a maniac commences firing on a group of people near you, he's dead.

I believe if you carry a loaded mag and the pistol near it would be considered carrying a loaded gun which is a violation of 12031 PC.

Negative. Particularly if you keep an empty magazine in the magwell as I do on the rare occasion I do. In this case, there is no way to argue that the magazine is an integral part of the weapon and that the weapon is merely incomplete.

[-hanko]

I believe if you carry a loaded mag and the pistol near it would be considered carrying a loaded gun which is a violation of 12031 PC.

I believe you should read CPC 12031 before posting, at least down to the part that says...

(g) A firearm shall be deemed to be loaded for the purposes of
this section when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell,
consisting of a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or
shot, in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but
not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof
attached to the firearm; except that a muzzle-loader firearm shall be
deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder
charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder.


-hanko

[gun toting monkeyboy]

[QUOTE=topgun7;1900932]Open carry, unloaded. What does it accomplish? What is the point of carrying a pistol open unloaded? Educate me please. I believe if you carry a loaded mag and the pistol near it would be considered carrying a loaded gun which is a violation of 12031 PC.[/QUOTE

It gets people and cops used to seeing peaceful people with guns. And if the magazine is not concealed or in the gun, there is no violation.

-Mb

[pullnshoot25]

Open carry, unloaded. What does it accomplish? What is the point of carrying a pistol open unloaded? Educate me please. I believe if you carry a loaded mag and the pistol near it would be considered carrying a loaded gun which is a violation of 12031 PC.

Show me the code supporting that statement and I will give you $1,000