Opionions on firearm laws

[sdgunbuyer]

Hello everyone I am relatively new to CalGuns and have been thinking about my opinion on firearms laws. I thought I would ask your opinions as well.

I have been forming the opinion that,

Federally speaking no firearm whether C&R or not should be transferred between individuals, they should all go through a licensed dealer. C&R to a C&R holder ok. This means that all states would have this system as well.

There should be no Federal system of record keeping of serial numbers of guns to individuals but rather a Federal system of serial numbers that dealers have transferred. Meaning the dealer would have the record of who actually bought the firearm but the Federal Government would know which serial number went to which dealer. I think this would cut out the long process of firearm traces that the ATF has to do because they would know the last dealer that firearm went to.

I think that this would help stop stolen firearms by creating a national secondhand dealer system and help stop firearm crime by having all transfers go through the dealers performing the criminal checks.

I am not exactly sure on how stolen weapons can be reported now Federally, I use California's system obviously, but not sure that cross references with other states.

If I am wrong and all states talk to each other already then disregard my statement above.

I also realize that many people have very strong opinions regarding a Federal system and I am not trying to offend anyone just very curious what other people that may be smarter than me think. Thanks! Chris

[Condorguns]

This should probable be moved to the general gun section.

[sdgunbuyer]

I understand but I am more interested in FFLs opinions as we deal with the law everyday.

[vliberatore]

Hello everyone I am relatively new to CalGuns and have been thinking about my opinion on firearms laws. I thought I would ask your opinions as well.

I have been forming the opinion that,

Federally speaking no firearm whether C&R or not should be transferred between individuals, they should all go through a licensed dealer. C&R to a C&R holder ok. This means that all states would have this system as well.

There should be no Federal system of record keeping of serial numbers of guns to individuals but rather a Federal system of serial numbers that dealers have transferred. Meaning the dealer would have the record of who actually bought the firearm but the Federal Government would know which serial number went to which dealer. I think this would cut out the long process of firearm traces that the ATF has to do because they would know the last dealer that firearm went to.

I think that this would help stop stolen firearms by creating a national secondhand dealer system and help stop firearm crime by having all transfers go through the dealers performing the criminal checks.

I am not exactly sure on how stolen weapons can be reported now Federally, I use California's system obviously, but not sure that cross references with other states.

If I am wrong and all states talk to each other already then disregard my statement above.

I also realize that many people have very strong opinions regarding a Federal system and I am not trying to offend anyone just very curious what other people that may be smarter than me think. Thanks! Chris

In this hypothetical where all transfers go through a licensed dealer, are FFLs checking the serial number if it was reported stolen, or are they checking buyers as well?

I agree that states should share information regarding firearms (or any items) that are reported stolen. I disagree that the way to solve that is to have a transfer database.

[sdgunbuyer]

An FFL would basically do a 4473 and register the make model and serial of that firearm with the Federal Government as being transfered through him. The buyer would have his check and if he clears he walks with the gun. If the firearm is stolen the local police woukd get a notification and proceed accordingly. This way buyers are cleared, firearms can be tracked, buyers are not in a federal database, and stolen firearms can be recovered. That is the basis of my opinion.

[dustoff31]

My comments are in bold.

Hello everyone I am relatively new to CalGuns and have been thinking about my opinion on firearms laws. I thought I would ask your opinions as well.

I have been forming the opinion that,

Federally speaking no firearm whether C&R or not should be transferred between individuals, they should all go through a licensed dealer. C&R to a C&R holder ok. This means that all states would have this system as well.

Why? Criminals/crazies buy guns from licensed dealers all the time. The dealer just didn't know they are criminals/crazies because they weren't entered into NICS by the people who did know that. Ref: Virtually every mass shooter in the past several years.

There should be no Federal system of record keeping of serial numbers of guns to individuals but rather a Federal system of serial numbers that dealers have transferred. Meaning the dealer would have the record of who actually bought the firearm but the Federal Government would know which serial number went to which dealer. I think this would cut out the long process of firearm traces that the ATF has to do because they would know the last dealer that firearm went to.

There is no Federal system of keeping serial numbers of guns sold to individuals except the 4473 which is already kept with the dealer.

I think that this would help stop stolen firearms by creating a national secondhand dealer system and help stop firearm crime by having all transfers go through the dealers performing the criminal checks.

So, people would not steal firearms if they were required to buy them from a dealer? I'm afraid I see no logic whatsoever in that.

I am not exactly sure on how stolen weapons can be reported now Federally, I use California's system obviously, but not sure that cross references with other states.

If I am wrong and all states talk to each other already then disregard my statement above.

The NCIC system that has been in existence since the late '60s does all the above. You report a stolen firearm to your local police, they enter it into the system and every LE agency in the country is, or can be, aware of it.


I also realize that many people have very strong opinions regarding a Federal system and I am not trying to offend anyone just very curious what other people that may be smarter than me think. Thanks! Chris

[Intimid8tor]

What's the name of your shop?

[sdgunbuyer]

Intimidator- for the hatemail? Lol

[vliberatore]

An FFL would basically do a 4473 and register the make model and serial of that firearm with the Federal Government as being transfered through him. The buyer would have his check and if he clears he walks with the gun. If the firearm is stolen the local police woukd get a notification and proceed accordingly. This way buyers are cleared, firearms can be tracked, buyers are not in a federal database, and stolen firearms can be recovered. That is the basis of my opinion.

If the firearm is stolen the local police should be dispatched immediately.

I'm not keen on requiring all sales go through a FFL. To me, the check should be 2 unlinked questions.

1) Is the firearm reported to be stolen
2) Is the buyer a prohibited person.

A 4473 on all transactions creates an unlinked registry of legal gun sales.

[Fate]

Not going to fly. Nationwide the majority of states don't restrict paperless sales of guns between residents. As it should be. Ca has distorted your view of the Constitution and property rights. Free America spits at your feet and says "Come and take em."

[Epaphroditus]

Opinion? None. What the constitution says is "shall not be infringed" so I prefer to start there. Explain how a particular policy, regulation or law passes muster and does not infringe then it would be OK constitutionally.

The primacy of the constitution must abide or tyranny soon follows.

[sdgunbuyer]

Got my first hatemail. lol.

My opinion is based on trying to prevent criminals from getting guns, recovering stolen property, and creating a better system than what we already have. I would also prefer that states do not get to make all the ridiculous rules we have regarding firearms. That means removing the restrictions on what guns we can purchase, magazine capacity, ten day waiting periods, how many guns we can buy etc...

[kyle.]

Got my first hatemail. lol.

My opinion is based on trying to prevent criminals from getting guns, recovering stolen property, and creating a better system than what we already have.

Explain to me how more laws are going to solve anything?

I have always voted on maxing out punishments for any firearms related charges, much like carjacking in the late '80s/'90s

[sdgunbuyer]

I would imagine that right now a firearms trace takes an incredible amount of time and would most likely dead end more often than not. A system where the Feds would know where that serial number went would cut the time taken to investigate a crime. They could simply call the dealer and he could tell them which customer bought that gun. Instead of going all the way back to the first day the gun was manufactured.

I also agree with you that firearm crimes should have stiff penalties.

[readysetgo]

Stuff it.