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  • DonaldBabbett
    Banned
    • Aug 2014
    • 828

    While many here might not condone the

    keeping of an atomic bomb by an American citizen, isn't it safe to say that most here would agree that any law-abiding American citizen should be allowed to keep any weapon, tactical equipment or protective gear that virtually any police or sheriff's department in the nation has?

    This might include:

    battering rams
    submachine guns
    select-fire rifles
    tear gas
    bullet-proof vests/body armor
    gas masks
    riot gear
    night-vision gun sights
    night-vision devices
    pinpoint microphones
    electronic surveillance equipment
    telephone bugging equipment
    spy gear
    sting operation gear as spy cameras, etc.
    attack dogs
    working trained bomb dogs
  • #2
    MrOrange
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 2262

    Agreed for the most part (much "spy gear" should stay with the CIA), but I would word it differently: The cops aren't allowed to have anything that the general public can't.
    I meant, it is my opinion that...






    I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence
    I would advise violence. - M. Gandhi
    You're my kind of stupid. - M. Reynolds

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    • #3
      morfeeis
      Calguns Addict
      • Apr 2010
      • 7605

      In my opinion if you can afford it and it doesn't harm anyone else, you should be able to own it (including nukes).
      ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
      Originally posted by Ayn Rand
      You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.

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      • #4
        R Dale
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2015
        • 1736

        Originally posted by DonaldBabbett
        keeping of an atomic bomb by an American citizen, isn't it safe to say that most here would agree that any law-abiding American citizen should be allowed to keep any weapon, tactical equipment or protective gear that virtually any police or sheriff's department in the nation has?

        This might include:

        battering rams
        submachine guns
        select-fire rifles
        tear gas
        bullet-proof vests/body armor
        gas masks
        riot gear
        night-vision gun sights
        night-vision devices
        pinpoint microphones
        electronic surveillance equipment
        telephone bugging equipment
        spy gear
        sting operation gear as spy cameras, etc.
        attack dogs
        working trained bomb dogs
        I don't think the average citizen should have everything the police has because we don't have a need for them nor would it be legal to use some of the things the police have. What would we need a battering ram for? why would want to bug someone phone that is not you own? what would you need tear gas for? As for body armor I think it would be ok to have and night vision devices I see no problem with. As for machine guns and stockpiles of ammo I think would be ok provided they are kept at a secure location and the guns only used at a range that allows them. Same with attack dogs they should only be at a secure location not in residential neighborhoods.

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        • #5
          bohoki
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 20815

          Originally posted by morfeeis
          In my opinion if you can afford it and it doesn't harm anyone else, you should be able to own it (including nukes).
          well a nuclear bomb or any weapon of mass indescriminate death N,B,C

          even simple explosives should be controlled mainly because we have the whole us army protecting our nukes

          and explosives are additive you see this even with the tannerite or safe and sane fireworks (see video of 1000 sparklers going off all at once)

          there are jerks out there taking the tannerite and buying enough to fill a freakin 5 gallon bucket then place it under a car i mean sheesh you see why the gun grabbers gain ground

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          • #6
            spfabrication
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2015
            • 1045

            I used to get the keys to them all the time.
            GO NAVY

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            • #7
              uechikid
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 1409

              Originally posted by MrOrange
              Agreed for the most part (much "spy gear" should stay with the CIA), but I would word it differently: The cops aren't allowed to have anything that the general public can't.
              Hmm, if I'm not mistaken LE can have select fire rifles. They can also carry batons, in CA civilians can't. They also have standard capacity magazines. That's just off the top of my head.
              To the OPs point, I agree that civilians should be able to protect themselves as they see fit, pretty much.
              "Carpe Diem"

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              • #8
                CWDraco
                Banned
                • May 2007
                • 3359

                The 2nd A provides for the typical citizen to be allowed arms for defense of freedom.

                A Nuke is not a defensive arm. While a case can be made for a good offense is a good defense, the destruction of innocent people is not a defensive act covered under civilian freedom.

                Voting and strict control of our Government is our control over Nukes. As is our control over our Military.
                Last edited by CWDraco; 05-12-2016, 5:51 PM.

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                • #9
                  spfabrication
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2015
                  • 1045

                  And of course any Special Weapon worth it's salt is ALWAYS under TWO PERSON CONTROL, darn it.
                  GO NAVY

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                  • #10
                    Noble Cause
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 2633

                    Originally posted by morfeeis
                    In my opinion if you can afford it and it doesn't harm anyone else, you should be able to own it (including nukes).
                    I'm not far behind you, but I guess I draw the line on nukes, for various
                    reasons. As you know, the chances of the generally public being allowed
                    to legally own nukes is one infinitesimal smidgen point above Zero, so any
                    discussion on same is just a interesting debate on something that will
                    never happen into the foreseeable future of mankind.

                    So Let the Wild Speculation Begin !

                    In an Alternate Reality, Nukes are legal to own after you go thru
                    a Nuke Permit Process.


                    The vetting officials have just ok'd a Permit for a veteran purchasing
                    a nuke for his mining consortium. Their records show him to be an
                    upstanding citizen, with several awards, and even a Bronze Star Medal.

                    His name is Timothy McVeigh.

                    So the 168 people originally killed in a horrific act of domestic terrorism
                    now could swell to Millions of innocent people because of One person
                    irrationally deciding they needed to die.

                    Of course, that's just one example of things Ending Badly, but I'm sure
                    many more can be conjured up without much effort.


                    Noble

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                    • #11
                      DonaldBabbett
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2014
                      • 828

                      Originally posted by spfabrication
                      And of course any Special Weapon worth it's salt is ALWAYS under TWO PERSON CONTROL, darn it.
                      I want a weapon or defensive tool that is suitable for an American rugged individual, not necessarily a crew of two or more.

                      I can pretty much handle a mounted Browning 50-cal machine gun SOLO for home defense in my special "bat cave" bunker house provided the gun is already loaded with a full belt guarding the only door that enters and exits my crib. Perhaps, the venerable M2 is not truly a "Special Weapon" but this gun is certainly worth its "salt peter" (pun intended).
                      Last edited by DonaldBabbett; 05-12-2016, 6:38 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Victor Cachat
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 1546

                        I would want said citizen to have more stringent tracking and security measures than our average PD.
                        Democrats>Socialists>Communists - Same goals, different speeds.

                        The most effective and pervasive enemy of American freedoms today is the Legacy Media. Defeat them first.

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                        • #13
                          Quiet
                          retired Goon
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 30242

                          IMO...
                          All small arms should be legal with no registration requirements.
                          sigpic

                          "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                          • #14
                            BeFrank
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 594

                            Responsibility

                            Originally posted by R Dale
                            I don't think the average citizen should have everything the police has because we don't have a need for them nor would it be legal to use some of the things the police have. What would we need a battering ram for? why would want to bug someone phone that is not you own? what would you need tear gas for? As for body armor I think it would be ok to have and night vision devices I see no problem with. As for machine guns and stockpiles of ammo I think would be ok provided they are kept at a secure location and the guns only used at a range that allows them. Same with attack dogs they should only be at a secure location not in residential neighborhoods.
                            I don't presume to know what you would "need" but that's not the issue, the issue is the regulations made from fear. Of course anything you have you have the moral obligation to use, handle and store responsibly. It's no different from owning a large tractor, loader or rock crusher.

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                            • #15
                              MarikinaMan
                              Veteran Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 4864

                              I personally draw the line over something that will take out more than a city block. Thats just me.

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