How would Dry Fire groups translate to Live Fire?

[rodralig]

Just an update to the thread -

A Sig 229 or any good handgun should be able to produce under 3" groups at 15 yrds easily. What a shooter can do is another story. Add recoil into the mix and things suddenly get almost unpredictable for beginners. Everyone responds differently to recoil. Only way for you to witness is to take it out and shoot it.

After a week or so of Dry Fire with the SiRT, and finally picking up my first gun Thursday - the Glock 22, here are my results at the range yesterday (about 8-10 yards, there were no markers):



I felt that my shots were trending down, as other have said most probably due to recoil anticipation (though, am sure that during my Dry Fire, there were no or minimal muzzle movements as the laser hits straight with no blur).

And well... Was also having issues with sight alignment (before picking up the G22, already had the stock Front changed to HiViz LITEWAVE) - finding it quite taller/wider for the rear sight pillars.

Regardless, here is a photo of my G22 and the SiRT:



Cheers!

[speedrrracer]

OP deserves props for getting into dry fire right off the bat. Keep it up and you'll be as good as you want to be.

My 2 cents is turn off the laser part of the SIRT (if possible). You don't want to get into the habit of looking for a green dot to tell you if you did well or not -- that's too slow.

What you'll eventually learn to see is, at the initial moment of recoil, the front sight post lift out from the rear notch -- that will tell you exactly, every time, where the bullet hit. Here's a video of what you're working towards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q1XC8k-tZc

To get back to dry fire, the groups will only translate into live fire accurately if you're past the beginner stuff (flinching, anticipating, etc) and you're being perfectly honest in your dry fire. This takes some time -- initially you might not even know what that means, but after a while, you'll find the little differences (you're not gripping the gun as hard in dry fire because you know you can get away with it, you're not being honest about your sight picture, you're not simulating performance pressure, etc) and you'll iron them out, so the similarity between your performance in dry and real fire increases.

[rodralig]

My 2 cents is turn off the laser part of the SIRT (if possible). You don't want to get into the habit of looking for a green dot to tell you if you did well or not -- that's too slow.

What you'll eventually learn to see is, at the initial moment of recoil, the front sight post lift out from the rear notch -- that will tell you exactly, every time, where the bullet hit. Here's a video of what you're working towards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q1XC8k-tZc

Dang! Thanks for the YouTube link.

Yes, I noticed after a few days when I started with the SiRT that I was "tracing" the green laser. The last few routines I've done - I've tried to keep focusing on the front sight (keeping the green dot "hidden" as in like a POA).

I agree. So does John McPhee.

https://www.facebook.com/TriggerTime...6700562678602/

HopetonBrown, you shared a link to the DryFireMag. How is it? Recommended?

When doing Dry Fire with the G22 itself (and snap caps) - I have to manually cycle the action. Not only that, can't practice the reset/prep; because the trigger locks back.

Thanks!

[russ69]

...BTW, what caliber is the Contender, 6.8 Rem?

22 Hornet
6.8 SPC
32-20 (308 bullet)
22LR
221 Fireball

[vliberatore]

My dry fire groups are always tighter than my live fire groups

[holt7153]

15 minute a day, 30 day routine.

Dry fire book that focuses on USPSA/IPSC competition, but most are applicable to whatever type of shooting you like to do.

Get a Pocket Pro II, CED7000, Club Timer 3 or Shotmaxx for both your dry and live fire.]

thanks!

[rodralig]

My dry fire groups are always tighter than my live fire groups

Yup - same here... That is what I'm trying to figure out.... Because everything until the BANG should essentially be the same. No?

[vliberatore]

Yup - same here... That is what I'm trying to figure out.... Because everything until the BANG should essentially be the same. No?

Oh, I was just being a smart ***.

I think it was covered before about anticipating recoil. I notice I shoot much better when I'm "surprised" by the trigger break rather than expecting it.

[dwalker]

Ben Stoeger trained by dry firing with very limited live fire and got his Master card his first match, which was a classifier. I have been doing more dry fire and it does help.

[rodralig]

Ben Stoeger trained by dry firing with very limited live fire and got his Master card his first match, which was a classifier. I have been doing more dry fire and it does help.

I ordered his book yesterday. Would schedule myself about 15-mins/day for dry fire.

Oh, I was just being a smart ***.

I think it was covered before about anticipating recoil. I notice I shoot much better when I'm "surprised" by the trigger break rather than expecting it.

Sometimes I take things TOO literally. *LOL*

[rodralig]

I'm pretty freaked out by potential NDs, so this is what I use for dry fire practice at home.

I use a DryFireMag

The DryFireMag got delivered today...

Took me some time to figure out how to set it up, ie., pulling the trigger forward, then somehow getting stuck mid push (now, that is why a firm bump is needed), and having to try removing the slide when I can't pull the trigger back. *huff* *huff* (these gotten me really worried if it would have damaged anything)

My current concern right now is getting the mag off. Upon pressing the mag release, it just doesn't fall off - I basically need to yank it down with a slight force, as if something is blocking some notch or something. Is this the same for you?

As am a little worried (thinking too much??) - since I have 15-days to try this out, if ever, may just do the Zip Tie method.


Well, at the very least - it is good for me to practice Dry Fire with my own Glock 22, and really focus on the sights (especially mine is FO).

[rodralig]

Same for me. I just leave it in a Glock, and use others for live fire.

If you're more concerned with getting better at shooting than having a collection, just shoot one kind of pistol.

Thank you!!!

Yes, definitely getting better at shooting - just one pistol for me then...

I'll just switch mags as needed then between Dry and Live Fire.

[rodralig]

B8 is the standard size, I've only shot those in the classes I've been in.

.... Let me improve my 25-ft and 50-ft first.

... which, on the other hand, have quite improved thanks to dry practice - more with the DryFireMag compared to the SiRT.

Thanks for all the teachings!

Here was yesterday (I've managed to make ALL shots hits the paper!!!):