FireClean sues Andrew Tuohy and Everett Baker

[SamsDX]

You may recall the controversy last summer over the allegation that FireClean was the same as Crisco, or some other vegetable oil. (Brief Calguns discussion here).

Looks like FireClean is hitting back, and now they've filed a defamation lawsuit against Tuohy and Baker in Federal court:

http://soldiersystems.net/2016/03/31/fireclean-llc-sues-andrew-tuohy-and-everett-baker-in-federal-court/

Goes to show - if you brutally attack someone's livelihood, you better be able to back up your statements. Otherwise you're going to be on the receiving end of a lawsuit.

I'm not a chemical engineer so I don't know how much truth there is to FireClean's allegations of Tuohy's faulty science, but in skimming through the complaint, there seems to be enough there that it'll survive an early dismissal motion.

[CALI-gula]

10 to 1 they settle. Willing to bet they can back it up but the fight will be about what it actually is vs. what they claimed, even if it is a different vegetable-based oil, basing it on the refining process or some other detail.

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[AreWeFree]

At the time, lots of people were quite entertained by the shenanigans. But not everyone was laughing. While most have moved on from the incident, Fireclean has not.

Surely they wont lose more credibility by filing the defamation lawsuit... What's the nominal expiration date of their product again? One year?

How about Crisco? Unopened 2 years from manufacture date, Opened about 1 year.

[SamsDX]

10 to 1 they settle. Willing to bet they can back it up but the fight will be about what it actually is vs. what they claimed, even if it is a different vegetable-based oil, basing it on the refining process or some other detail.

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The vast majority of civil cases do, and unless Tuohy can find financing, he can't afford to fight it, even if he wanted to. The 15k he's raising through GoFundMe is just the retainer, and will barely cover two, maybe three weeks of moderate litigation activity.

Many of the gun bloggers seem to be taking an interest in the case because of the First Amendment angle and the potential to impact what they're doing, so maybe the EFF may want to get involved. Being a traditionally liberal organization, I'm not sure if they'd want to because it implicates the firearms industry.

[CALI-gula]

The vast majority of civil cases do, and unless Tuohy can find financing, he can't afford to fight it, even if he wanted to. The 15k he's raising through GoFundMe is just the retainer, and will barely cover two, maybe three weeks of moderate litigation activity.

Completely agree. I assume the same.

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[Jimi Jah]

Get an MDS paper on the stuff to find out what it's really made of. It's cheaper than a defense lawyer.

[bruce381]

lab tests can show about 100% if a veg oil, not hard to do in the industry.
Do it all the time for QA on lubes.

[singhdrew an]

You may recall the controversy last summer over the allegation that FireClean was the same as Crisco, or some other vegetable oil. (Brief Calguns discussion here).

Looks like FireClean is hitting back, and now they've filed a defamation lawsuit against Tuohy and Baker in Federal court:

http://soldiersystems.net/2016/03/31/fireclean-llc-sues-andrew-tuohy-and-everett-baker-in-federal-court/

Goes to show - if you brutally attack someone's livelihood, you better be able to back up your statements. Otherwise you're going to be on the receiving end of a lawsuit.

I'm not a chemical engineer so I don't know how much truth there is to FireClean's allegations of Tuohy's faulty science, but in skimming through the complaint, there seems to be enough there that it'll survive an early dismissal motion.

I actually am a chemical engineer and can tell you it probably is very, very, very similar to Crisco, which will lube your gun just fine. I'm more of a grease kind of person though.

[MarikinaMan]

I actually am a chemical engineer and can tell you it probably is very, very, very similar to Crisco, which will lube your gun just fine. I'm more of a grease kind of person though.

Truly. If its declared as plant based, the only question is which plant? After which, the addition of chemical additives comprising less than .01% of volume will give it properties, scent included, that will separate it from Crisco and everything else.

Too many get hung up on the Crisco, cooking oil, plant based or whatever similar product. So what? Is it good or not? Assess and move on. The culture of tar and feathering is strong on the internet.

[singhdrew an]

Truly. If its declared as plant based, the only question is which plant? After which, the addition of chemical additives comprising less than .01% of volume will give it properties, scent included, that will separate it from Crisco and everything else.

Too many get hung up on the Crisco, cooking oil, plant based or whatever similar product. So what? Is it good or not? Assess and move on. The culture of tar and feathering is strong on the internet.

Yup, doesn't take much at all per volume to change a product with a certain characteristics into something totally different.

[tophatjones]

Guys, the problem isn't that Crisco or Coconut oil +.01% of additives doesn't make a viable gun lube, the problem is misrepresenting it as a miracle lube then marking up the price 500%. Gun lubrication is simple, you don't need a miracle lube, the most important thing is to have some in the right places. Fireclean and Froglube are scams and profit on deception as far as I'm concerned.

[singhdrew an]

Guys, the problem isn't that Crisco or Coconut oil +.01% of additives doesn't make a viable gun lube, the problem is misrepresenting it as a miracle lube then marking up the price 500%. Gun lubrication is simple, you don't need a miracle lube, the most important thing is to have some in the right places. Fireclean and Froglube are scams and profit on deception as far as I'm concerned.

I never said it was miracle stuff. I use a 3 dollar tub of grease and brake cleaner to clean and lubricate my guns. I make fun of people who buy into it lol.