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  • _Nick_
    Member
    • Jan 2016
    • 181

    Using the wrong eye or wrong technique?

    I'm right handed. I close my right eye when I shoot because it just feels natrual. My grouping is typically low and left so I find myself compensating by aiming high and right a few inches. This is both with my Glock 19 and my S&W model 60. Neither of which have adjustable sights, unless I'm unaware of something.

    Should I be compensating like this or doing something else. Perhaps I'm using the wrong eye? I don't actually want to use my right eye, but if thats the correct thing to do I guess I should.
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    vinny_land
    CGN Contributor
    • Dec 2007
    • 3374

    Have you tried shooting with both eyes open?

    I am right handed as well and left eye dominant, so I basically trained my right eye to enough to shoot with both eyes open. One trick is to tape the left side of your shooting glasses with clear tape or completely (or just use an eye patch). Forces your to keep your right eye open when shooting.
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    • #3
      003
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2010
      • 3436

      If you are shooting low left with a right hand hold, you are probably “pulling” the gun to the left as you pull the trigger. Concentrate on squeezing the trigger straight back with the pad of your trigger finger.

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      • #4
        _Nick_
        Member
        • Jan 2016
        • 181

        Maybe I am puling the gun, I'll have to pay attention to that next time I go out. I'll practice moving the trigger straight back with my snap caps.

        I have not tried shooting with both eyes open but I feel like I'd see two targets or two guns depending on my focus.
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        • #5
          9mmepiphany
          Calguns Addict
          • Jul 2008
          • 8075

          My grouping is typically low and left
          How large a grouping...and at which distance?

          If you are shooting all your shots into a couple of inches at 5-7 yards it might be the gun.

          If we're talking about twice that size group, it is likely that it is your trigger management technique.

          Either way, if you are aligning your sights correctly, it doesn't much matter which eye you are using
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          • #6
            Thepug99
            Member
            • Jan 2014
            • 352

            You're probably flinching. Put a snap cap with the other rounds. You'll know if you flinch when you hit the the snap cap

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            • #7
              HPBrowningMK3
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Dec 2012
              • 1299

              What Thepug99 said.

              This is your dry firing drill: An empty case on top of your front sight so that If you do anything but press the trigger properly, the case will fall down. Then you will know.

              ETA: You can look into The Wall drill, The Pencil drill, The Ball and Dummy drill. You can fix this for sure.
              Last edited by HPBrowningMK3; 03-27-2016, 6:27 PM.
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              • #8
                SonofWWIIDI
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Nov 2011
                • 21583

                Sorry, not sorry.
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                • #9
                  Sharp Shooter
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2013
                  • 1128

                  OP... Are you right or left eye dominant?

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                  • #10
                    fritztkatt
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2015
                    • 1061

                    Shoot with your dominant eye, even if it's crossed (left hand right eye or vice versa). Try to leave both eyes open, but aligning the dominant eye to the sights.

                    Focus on your trigger pull. I'd be willing to bet that's why you group the way you do. Although, I would have a known good shooter give it a try and make sure. Chances are the sights aren't off that much.

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                    • #11
                      tbc
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 5955

                      Wrong technique.

                      Right hand and left eye here and my groups are centered.




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                      • #12
                        Gun Kraft
                        Vendor/Retailer
                        • Jul 2014
                        • 807

                        Originally posted by _Nick_
                        I'm right handed. I close my right eye when I shoot because it just feels natrual.
                        First find out which eye is dominant. Here's a simple way to do that: keep both eyes open and point at an object about 30' away. Close your right eye. Are you still pointing at the object? Then you're left eye dominant. If that's the case, try turning your head so you're looking at 2 o'clock (relative to your target). Keep both eyes open, but now your left eye should be more forward than your right and you can aim using your left eye. Again, keep both eyes open to maintain peripheral vision.
                        My grouping is typically low and left so I find myself compensating by aiming high and right a few inches. Should I be compensating like this or doing something else.
                        Don't compensate. You're just masking the problem instead of trying to fix it. Always aim for the center of the target. If your shots consistently land somewhere else, find what you're doing wrong and fix that.
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                        • #13
                          _Nick_
                          Member
                          • Jan 2016
                          • 181

                          I am left eye dominant. I have not shot with both eyes open, I feel like I can't aim that way.

                          Here's my last target. 50 rounds of .357 mag with my J frame. The target was about 20 feet from me.



                          Thank you for that image sonofWWIIDI.

                          I'll try some more dry fire drills. I have been doing them a few days a week with both my G19 and J frame. I'll post my new results when I get back to the range, probably Friday.
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                          • #14
                            fritztkatt
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2015
                            • 1061

                            Looks like you are anticipating, and putting too much into the trigger. I see two separate groups, one high center and one low left.

                            When you dry fire, play with your grip and trigger to figure out what works well. Eventually you'll find the sweet spot. Close your right eye and look at the sight picture, then open it. Ignore the shadow/secondary image, and enjoy having a relaxed eye and greater peripheral vision.

                            They aren't terrible groups, so when you do figure out the problem, you'll really tighten it up nicely.

                            When you use the glock (assuming stock sights), ignore the white paint and use the sight tops. The field goal thing is to shoot fast, not accurately. If your J frame has a FO or such, ignore that too and use the tops of the sights. This allows for better alignment, and thus more consistent.

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                            • #15
                              _Nick_
                              Member
                              • Jan 2016
                              • 181

                              Thank you fritztkatt, I will take your advice with me to the range this week.

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