Phalanx Close-In Weapons System

[Cardinal Sin]

Very good, but theres really no country with that level of technology to hit our ships where we would be able to use it though....

Except N.KOREA and if we go to war with them, but the safety of a ship would be the last thing on our mind considering they don't have anything to hit far enough.

Oh yes there is!!! lets see . .the "Sunburn" missle out of China is extreamly hard to engage for starters. Countries sell missle to each other all the time so almost all threat countries have some Anti-Ship capability to a certain degree. We may be the U.S but there are plenty of countries that make damn good Anti-ship missles that work good. "Cheez-Wiz" is well know for breaking down and being high maintenance. I have seen this first hand on deployment. When it works it work great but when it doesnt . . . well. . . better bring a change of shorts and pray you have another "Cheez-Wiz" or one of the other systems being/brought on line to replace the aging Phalanx system. Now there is an upgrade that is for small ship attack. And Oh- Baby does is turn the attacking fast boats into dust.

That under seige, (spelling?) movie is more hype than fact as is typical. The Phalanx is good but it has its short comings, (Eats up ammo fast, maintenance issues, Range, etc) That is why in the AW, (Air Warfare), world there are a variety of systems brought to bear against an incoming "Vampire" such as SM2, 5 Inch, Electronic countermeasures.

What sets the U.S. apart from other Navies is our damage control training. Sure a missle may hit us but chances are we can survive the hit, or multiple hits when most other ships would sink because we train daily on how to fight fires, flooding, etc. so that we can get /keep our combat systems online and stomp the enemy's butt into the ocean floor. Remember the USS Stark was hit twice i belive with exocet missles and survived yet in the Falkland war a brit ship was hit by one and sank. Its the training and ship design that usually determines the outcome.

[DrjonesUSA]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS


The Phalanx system has not been credited with shooting down any enemy missiles or aircraft.

In February 1991, during the first Gulf War, the USS Missouri and the Phalanx-equipped USS Jarrett were in the vicinity of an Iraqi Silkworm missile (often referred to as the 'Seersucker') that had been fired, either at Missouri or at the nearby HMS Gloucester. After Missouri fired a bundle of chaff, the Phalanx system on Jarrett, operating in the automatic target-acquisition mode, fixed upon Missouri's chaff and fired a burst of rounds (not destroying the incoming missile). From this burst, four rounds hit Missouri, she being two to three miles from Jarrett at the time. There were no injuries.[1] The Seersucker missile was then intercepted by a Sea Dart missile launched from the British Royal Navy warship HMS Gloucester. Incidentally, this is the first validated, successful engagement of a missile by a missile, during combat at sea. Earlier successes of the same weapons system during the Falklands War have never been officially validated.

In 1996, a Japanese Phalanx accidentally shot down a US A-6 Intruder. The US plane was towing a radar target during gunnery exercises. A Phalanx aboard the destroyer Yuugiri locked onto the Intruder instead of the target. Both pilots ejected safely. The incident was blamed on tactical error.



That's a hell of a record; 0 and 2!

[paradox]

Oh yes there is!!! lets see . .the "Sunburn" missle out of China....

Give credit where credit is due, Russia developed the sunburn missile (NATO designation SS-N-22) and its successor onyx (SS-N-25), plus perhaps third revision. Russia has traded this technology to China as well as India (known there as the BrahMos).

Supposedly, they can do mach 2-3+ at ten yards above the deck and be launched from a small boat, plane or truck. Scary ********. Even with a conventional warhead, at that speed you could probably take down an aircraft carrier with just two missiles. They can also be equipped with small nukes.

[SemiAutoSam]

Pleas do, me and a friend were looking for some coastal batteries but couldn't find them, Ive also been looking for a minuteman missile silo they had in my area but off base somewhere.

Using goggle put in this address

948 Fort Barry, Sausalito, CA look about 3000-5000 ft west of the north end of the GG bridge along the surf line there are 2 rather large batteries there.
URL of coastal comission pic below....once you have the pic up take a look at what looks like a small door that points out to the surf located toward the surf from the battery on the left.

http://www.californiacoastline.org/cgi-bin/image.cgi?image=200505786&mode=big&lastmode=sequential&flags=0&year=current

then try conzelman rd Sausalito, CA close to the GG bridge (using google Satellite or hybrid) look close to the water

or using zillow.com

Either way the batteries im speaking of are on the north side of the GG bridge just west of the bridge the closest set are 2 Large ones and the set farthest from the bridge are a set of 4 farther away from the coast / surf line in fact the set of 4 are on conzelman rd toward the water or on the south side of the road.

Here is a URL of a pic of the set of 4 the ones farther away from the GG bridge.

http://www.californiacoastline.org/cgi-bin/image.cgi?image=200505770&mode=big&lastmode=sequential&flags=0&year=current

SF coastal battery presidio.

http://www.davidsanger.com/stockimages/2-610-47.coastaldefense

http://www.virtuar.com/ysf2/ap-Battery-Boutelle.htm

there are some nike emplacements there as well but I didnt have time to look those up as the wife has a long honeydoo list.

[Cardinal Sin]

Give credit where credit is due, Russia developed the sunburn missile (NATO designation SS-N-22) and its successor onyx (SS-N-25), plus perhaps third revision. Russia has traded this technology to China as well as India (known there as the BrahMos).

Supposedly, they can do mach 2-3+ at ten yards above the deck and be launched from a small boat, plane or truck. Scary ********. Even with a conventional warhead, at that speed you could probably take down an aircraft carrier with just two missiles. They can also be equipped with small nukes.

Give credit where . . .dear lord, ha ha ha, tell me your not one of those people that go correcting others posts on technicalities, (J/K ). I said that the Sunburn was out of China because they field it and have reverse engineered it to make their own version of it. Yes, I fully know that it is made/sold by Russia but I just didnt want to turn the tread into a mini version of the history channel

Yes that little bugger is a mean missle that can pull almost impossible manuevers to evade being shot down . . . spent many of day and night playing war games in CIC with the Sunburn as the inbound threat . . . now for those harpoons that the Iranians have from the pre-revolution period . . . those are 50/50 as a threat but thats another topic

P.S. The FC's hated when we called their CIWIS a P.O.S. or Cheez-Wiz, lol
I cant count the times a tech-rep was flown in to troubleshoot the gremlins in that R2D2. But when it worked . . .. Brrrrrrrrrrup . . . 1500 rounds expended faster than you could belch . . . it was a fun thing to see and hear during pac-fires

[Cardinal Sin]

I saw recently how these are no longer used; old technology. They use anti-missle missles to destroy incoming missles and no longer use guns.

RAIDS is coming online as the replacement/augmentation to CIWIS but the 5inch 54Cal gun is still usable as is the SM2. The CIWIS is/has been going through many block upgrades to extend its life and uses. Sure there is better out there but the CIWIS is still used because is the last line of defense when that missle to too close for anything else and you wanna put up a wall of lead to shred the thing. Bad part is that you will still get missle fragments and fuel hitting your ship but its better than the whole thing slamming into you

[jester]

Well it sure wouldnt have the range of the 14 inch guns that were there in the WWII but in a time where the coast is threatened It would be just as effective as the ones on the battleships and or other surface ships that they have been used on in the past.

I don't recall their range I guess if I have to I can look it up in my janes.

The guns at Ft. McArthur,osgood,etc.., reached out to Catalina is.

[SemiAutoSam]

The guns at Ft. McArthur,osgood,etc.., reached out to Catalina is.

That is correct I have somewhat first hand information as my uncle thats about 90 was stationed there when he was in the army and I was given the same data.

He said that the shells weighed about 2300 lbs and they could shoot past Santa Catalina Island. im also told that osgood had more mishapps than farley.

Anyone have any interest in a expedition of the tunnels before they bulldose them?

I wonder if the same key fits the lock?

[shonc99]

CIWS Purpose

I just wanted to point out that the CIWS is designed to put up a wall of depleted uranimum that shreds the incoming threat. It basically puts up so much metal in the air that nothing gets through (in one piece at least) It fires a 20 mm sabot with a 9mm penetrator. (This according to the FC giving ESWS training)
While I can't verify the info I believe it's accurate. If it was such a horrible system, it probably wouldn't have been around as long as it has nor continue to be, though the RAM missle system reems to be replacing them slowly.