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  • juelz919
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 800

    What to do with raw complete lower?

    Anodize? Powder coat? Cerakote? Spray paint?

    Now i am starting to regret getting a raw one...

    Is there any real differences? How much harder is an anodized over non-anodized? can i just buy a couple cans of rustoleum and call it a day?

    My understanding is that aluminum doesnt rust but rather "corrodes" but its oxidation process makes it harder? Isnt that basically what anodizing does is oxidizes it all at once?

    I'm obviously no chemist here but i will appreciate any help.

    Or if someone here anodizes and is in sac that would be awesome too!
  • #2
    bohoki
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 20815

    flat black is fine it also looks neat as it rubs off the high spots for a more well used look

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    • #3
      Sabian722
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2012
      • 613

      Talk to this guy: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1143580

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      • #4
        VictorFranko
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2010
        • 13737

        There's a lot of plating shops that'll anodize that for $50 if you don't tell them what it is.

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        • #5
          juelz919
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 800

          Originally posted by 6un5_4r3_N347
          I did a home anodize job and painted with Rustoleum Appliance Epoxy over that. It came out a little glossy, but I still like it. The Rustoleum Appliance Epoxy is a fairly durable finish and cheap at like 3-4 dollars at a local hardware store.

          Instructions that I used for the application:
          Dude that Gengar is godly.

          HOW!!!!!

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          • #6
            hermosabeach
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Feb 2009
            • 19389

            Hard Anodizing definitely makes the surface of the Aluminum harder... less likely to scratch and less likely for the pin holes to looses up over time....



            Is this a fighting rifle that will be shot 20,000 times or a plinker that might see 800 rounds in its lifetime of use.....

            If it is a plinker, then Alumnahyde II or a similar product will be fine....
            or
            Find your local Sherwin Williams Auto Paint dealer and pick up a pint of what ever custom color you want....


            From the Interweb....



            A clarification on anodizing by Brad Fuller:

            There are two types of anodizing, Chromic Anodize (MIL-A-8625E, Type 1 & 1B, Class 1 & 2) and Hard Anodize (MIL-A-8625E, Type III, Class 1 & 2). Chromic anodize is not the same as the Hard Coat anodize. The key as to what finish that is applied to aluminum AR15/M16 type receivers is the TYPE (I, IB, or III). A manufacturer may state that it meets MIL-A-8625E, but if no type is specified you don't know what you're getting. It must be type III for Hard Anodize to meet the spec for the M16. Types I & IB, class 2 can be dyed to the black or dark grey; the dye can rub off.

            Type III, class 2 can be dyed and is specified on the contract drawings. Hard anodizing color will vary from light tan to black depending on alloy (this should be 7075 T-6 for AR15/M16 uppers and lowers) and can be dyed in darker colors depending on the thickness of the anodizing. Hard anodize coating penetrates the base metal as much as it builds up on the surface. This provides a VERY hard coating. If a thickness is unspecified on the contract drawings then the thickness shall be nominally 0.002" thick. The term THICKNESS includes both the buildup and the penetration. The upper receiver should then be coated on the interior with Solid Film Lubricant (MIL-L-8937D). I know Colt and Bushmaster apply this film and are HARD Anodized. Parts that have a purplish tone to them probably are not Hard Anodized. Older SGW parts were bead blasted and then chromic anodized.

            Phosphate coatings are applied to medium and low alloy Steels. There are two types, M & Z, with class 1 thru 4, where M=Manganese and Z=Zinc. These are grey to black in color. Type M is more resistant than type Z to alkaline environments. Type M is used on AR15/M16 steel parts. The thickness of Phosphate coatings ranges between 0.00002"-0.00004".

            For comparative purposes on the thicknesses, a human hair averages 0.015 thick.

            Hope this provides everyone with some good information.

            --Brad Fuller
            Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

            Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

            Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

            Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
            (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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            • #7
              sigstroker
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2009
              • 19629

              Yeah, hard anodizing is pretty hard. A friend of mine dropped the lid of a hard case on his SIG frame. The nickel plated latch on the lid left a big silver mark on the frame. It wiped right off.

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              • #8
                BrokerB
                Calguns Addict
                • Sep 2010
                • 5321

                Cerakote bake on paint and be done with it.

                Or go alumahyde...i used it , worked great ina .38 sw
                Shop gunsmithing tools (592) at Brownells, including bench blocks, hammer & punch sets, screwdrivers, and tool kits for firearm maintenance and repairs.
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                • #9
                  stix213
                  AKA: Joe Censored
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 18998

                  Just an FYI to the OP, generally the term "raw lower" is used to refer to a Registered Assault Weapon.

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                  • #10
                    whipkiller
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 3461

                    That ^^^ was my first thought when I saw the title.
                    Too many hobbies, Too little time.

                    Mind you, I'm 5'7", 180, with a visible Ab...

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                    • #11
                      NinjaNinja
                      Member
                      • Dec 2015
                      • 480

                      Originally posted by 6un5_4r3_N347
                      I did a home anodize job and painted with Rustoleum Appliance Epoxy over that. It came out a little glossy, but I still like it. The Rustoleum Appliance Epoxy is a fairly durable finish and cheap at like 3-4 dollars at a local hardware store.

                      Instructions that I used for the application:

                      As a Pokemon fanatic and a novice gun enthusiast, that Gengar Lower is LEGENDARY

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                      • #12
                        JDay
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 19393

                        Originally posted by VictorFranko
                        There's a lot of plating shops that'll anodize that for $50 if you don't tell them what it is.
                        Unless he stays there while they do it they'd both be guilty of a felony since the shop doesn't have an FFL.
                        Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                        The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                        • #13
                          CoopsDad
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 1710

                          I used aluminum primer from West Marine to prime my completed 80%; its made to bond to the metal. I then sprayed with desert sand camo rattlecan and it came out great.

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                          • #14
                            Jimi Jah
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2014
                            • 18713

                            I had mine engraved and anodized. It looks factory made. There are FFL anodizing shops that will do this.

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                            • #15
                              Staticsouls
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 974

                              Leave it raw or polish it up so it screams home built!

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