San Diego Officer Involved Shooting Video Released

[Sir Toast]

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/San-Diego-DA-Police-Shooting-Video-363272461.html

[Wes C Addle]

And the DA and Chief of Police didn't want it released. This is also the same DA who didn't want to pursue the death penalty against John Gardner for the rape and murder of 2 teen girls. Disgusting.

[NIKSD]

Hard to tell but I do not see reason for deadly force- empty hands, walking...

[Bossman88188]

According to Dumanis he had a pen in his hand that the officer mis took for a knife.
I thought the officer acting to fast in shooting. I mean It did not seem he even had time to give any orders. But the guy was clearly advancing.

The fact that Dumanis wont release the officers report makes me wonder why.

Can an officer on here explain why when the weapon is a knife the officer grabs his gun instead of the taser?
I assume its because they train more with the pistol draw then the taser draw. And in a hostile situation muscle memory takes over.

[TRICKSTER]

According to Dumanis he had a pen in his hand that the officer mis took for a knife.
I thought the officer acting to fast in shooting. I mean It did not seem he even had time to give any orders. But the guy was clearly advancing.

The fact that Dumanis wont release the officers report makes me wonder why.

Can an officer on here explain why when the weapon is a knife the officer grabs his gun instead of the taser?
I assume its because they train more with the pistol draw then the taser draw. And in a hostile situation muscle memory takes over.

Because tasers don't always work and you don't use a less lethal weapon against a lethal weapon unless you have another officer there ready to use lethal force if the taser fails.

[NIKSD]

If it is a knife- deadly weapon advance, deadly weapon defend situation. Teasers do not always work, especially when drugs or heavy clothing are involved.

[Bossman88188]

Because tasers don't always work and you don't use a less lethal weapon against a lethal weapon unless you have another officer there ready to use lethal force if the taser fails.

Thanks.
Thats makes good sense.

[Bossman88188]

If it is a knife- deadly weapon advance, deadly weapon defend situation. Teasers do not always work, especially when drugs or heavy clothing are involved.

I have been in fights with people on meth and others on PCP.
And it is dangerous no matter how much you beat them they just keep on attacking. Never been so exhausted after a fight.

[RandyD]

Hard to tell but I do not see reason for deadly force- empty hands, walking...

There is more to this story than the video. The dispatcher's audio tape is available online, and I have listened to it, and the dispatcher gave updates to the officer as he was driving to the scene, and those updates included notices that the suspect had threatened and continued to threaten several people with a knife. That was the officer's mindset as he arrived. The suspect's hand were not empty, he was holding a pen, which the officer misinterpreted to be a knife. Also the officer gave a verbal command to the suspect to stop, and the suspect continued to approach the officer. If you watch the video, you will notice that the officer attempts to render aid to the suspect.

Last of all, I am a personal friend of this officer. In 1988, he and I attended the same police academy, and we have remained friends during those years. I have only good things to say about him, and I can vouch that he is an honorable man. He is not someone that the public needs to fear. He has outstanding judgment. He does not have any malice in him.

[WyattandDoc]

According to Dumanis he had a pen in his hand that the officer mis took for a knife.
I thought the officer acting to fast in shooting. I mean It did not seem he even had time to give any orders. But the guy was clearly advancing.

The fact that Dumanis wont release the officers report makes me wonder why.

Can an officer on here explain why when the weapon is a knife the officer grabs his gun instead of the taser?
I assume its because they train more with the pistol draw then the taser draw. And in a hostile situation muscle memory takes over.

If you want to bring a Taser to knife fight, have at it. Make sure your estate and finances are in order.

My partner hit a guy high on Meth with a Taser. I was his lethal back-up. Guy ripped both darts out and attacked us. He had a large knife and charged us. I elected not to shoot because of proximity issues. Haunts me every day. I got hit in the head. Should of shot him and I will never second guess again.

[barrage]

I'm not really surprised. SDPD, especially in that area are dangerous. Best to avoid both the bat**** crazy bums and the police who frequent there.

[NIKSD]

There is more to this story than the video. The dispatcher's audio tape is available online, and I have listened to it, and the dispatcher gave updates to the officer as he was driving to the scene, and those updates included notices that the suspect had threatened and continued to threaten several people with a knife. That was the officer's mindset as he arrived. The suspect's hand were not empty, he was holding a pen, which the officer misinterpreted to be a knife. Also the officer gave a verbal command to the suspect to stop, and the suspect continued to approach the officer. If you watch the video, you will notice that the officer attempts to render aid to the suspect.

Last of all, I am a personal friend of this officer. In 1988, he and I attended the same police academy, and we have remained friends during those years. I have only good things to say about him, and I can vouch that he is an honorable man. He is not someone that the public needs to fear. He has outstanding judgment. He does not have any malice in him.

Sir, I am not bashing at the officer. I said exactly what I mean- the video does not show the reason for the deadly force, hence "I do not see...'.

If I am a police officer, I get dispatch report for knife armed person, this same person, with something knife looking in his hands rapidly approaches me, and does not obey the orders to stop, I will probably use deadly force. Yes, it is a tough call, call made in split second. And that is exactly where and why this video may and will be interpret wrongly by the majority of people- the video shows a guy walking towards the police car, officer exits the car and shoots the guy. Most people will not look hard why was the deadly force used.

Unfortunate situation with no winners!

[EspoMan]

Well here's my take from being in law enforcement for 7 years (AGAIN MY OPINION). First, he should have waited for a second unit to back him up before rolling in (the suspect wasn't actively engaging anyone, there's no urgency in rolling in like Rambo by yourself) . Second, he had plenty of time to get out, use his door for cover, draw down and try to give verbal commands at the suspect, if he continued advancing, then I can understand shooting. The officer had all the advantages in his favor, time, cover, distance, and lighting. This was pretty bad. No way around it.

[davegonewild]

Shouldn't have been standing there

[Ronin2]

Because tasers don't always work and you don't use a less lethal weapon against a lethal weapon unless you have another officer there ready to use lethal force if the taser fails.

And the officer had a car door, and if needed a car, between him and the suspect...