LGS San Jose Gun Trader closed

[nedro]

My coworker came in for swing shift yesterday with a disappointed look on his face. It thew me because I knew he was picking up his gun yesterday.
He claims that San Jose Gun Trader closed their doors because the State computer system was down or otherwise inoperable.

Me response was a bit more aggressive though, as I always thought that the 10 waiting period was NOT to state that the owner was good to go, but rather that the goverment had 10 days to stop the transaction. In other words, if you don't hear back in ten days, the owner gets to go home with the gun.

So, what do you all think about this?
My thought was that if they can shut down State computers to prevent transactions on a large scale, they could wreak havoc on law abiding citizens any time for as long as they want.

[CALI-gula]

A right delayed is a right denied.

And so forth.

But certain LGS have done this in the past as well for this reason, among other unplanned tech reasons, holidays, Sunday, ATF audits, sick, lunch, Christmas Party, Halloween Party, attending SHOT Show, gone fighting for the 2nd Amendment in Sacramento, gone hunting, gone fishing, etc., so the replies could get interesting.

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[SLO1911Fan]

When the DROS system goes down there is nothing a gun shop can do. We can't dros any guns or deliver any guns. I've been caught in both sides of that one, and I know it sucks, but there is nothing the FFL can do about the law.

[Oceanbob]

The transaction isn't complete until the FFL opens the DROS and clicks Delivered. Then he can print the DROS form and hand the gun and form to his customer.

[71MUSTY]

Sure they can. They can reach into their computer, over to DOJ and fix the their down system. I mean come on.

[DTOM CA!]

Wow. So there is no back up paper way to do a DROS like say 15 years ago ? Hey all you gun grabbers, Just have DeLeon pass a bill that all DROS in CA has to be done over dial up lines that would muck up gun purchases infinitely.

[nedro]

Sure they can. They can reach into their computer, over to DOJ and fix the their down system. I mean come on.

Did you even read the OP?

[Fjold]

Did you even read the OP?

Did you miss the sarcasm?

[TeddyBallgame]

Did you even read the OP?

i think there is some sarcasm there

[nedro]

I am Mr. Sarcasm.
I saw a crass remark that intended to dismiss the entire question and somehow imply that one thinks things can be easily fixed with magical fairy dust.
If wrong, my apologies of course.

Ocean Bob's comment is very informative and also a bit scary knowing that this is a good way to keep a mas amount of people unarmed right after a terrorist operation.
This is a valid concern as we saw a large amount of first time gun owners going through the process After San Bernardino. If new gun owners unfamiliar with the process are being blocked out, it may just discourage them from ever trying to purchase again. It's a very good tactic in my opinion.

[71MUSTY]

I am Mr. Sarcasm.
I saw a crass remark that intended to dismiss the entire question and somehow imply that one thinks things can be easily fixed with magical fairy dust.
If wrong, my apologies of course.

Ocean Bob's comment is very informative and also a bit scary knowing that this is a good way to keep a mas amount of people unarmed right after a terrorist operation.
This is a valid concern as we saw a large amount of first time gun owners going through the process After San Bernardino. If new gun owners unfamiliar with the process are being blocked out, it may just discourage them from ever trying to purchase again. It's a very good tactic in my opinion.

Are you for real??? Tell me exactly HOW you took my comment seriously. Read the comment right before mine, then read mine. HELLO

Unless somehow you believe they really could reach thru their computer and fix the DOJ computer. Are you serious???????????????????

[nedro]

Yes, I am serious. And I apologize.
Can we get back to the subject at hand now?

[CWM4A1]

Answer is dealer cannot release the gun if the state system is down. Starting 01/01/2015 with the new FSC requirement comes updated DROS system, which require dealers to hit "delivered" button in DROS system to properly deliver guns to customer. There are not back-up system so if the system is down, you are SOL and will have to wait till system comes back.

[nedro]

That is a pretty strong tool for the government to have in their pocket. Seems like there needs to be an amendment to allow the release of ones property if the chosen method that the State uses for background checks is inoperable. i.e. signature with proper ID and a thumbprint on a paper form.
We do this at my work for P.O.s if the computer goes down or if the approving manager is off duty.

[laurelpark]

It is what it is. Now, I'd be pissed if I got charged a storage fee because the State's system is down - but that wouldn't happen at SJGT. It's a good shop.