Options of keeping guns out of kids' hands...

[Merc1138]

locked up, or in a safe is the law in CA when there are kids around
didnt you ever take the safety tests?

this is the reason weapons get stolen, or people shot

You've made this claim twice in this thread, and you are wrong. Stop spreading FUD. The law is not "have to lock guns up when kids are around" as there is far more to it than that, including how it is legal to have guns unlocked or even unattended by an adult with kids around, including kids using them.

Read: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=25100-25135

[Robert458]

Thank you for clearly explaining how tragedies happen.

Sounds like more liberal bull****.

When I grew up, I knew where all the guns were in the house (none were locked away, the opposite actually), my dad even let me hold loaded guns with bullets in the chamber with no safety on, and we never had a gun accident. Explain that.

[Robert458]

locked up, or in a safe is the law in CA when there are kids around
didnt you ever take the safety tests?

this is the reason weapons get stolen, or people shot

You're another brainwashed sheep. No that is not the reason. The reason they get stolen is because burglars take them. The reason people get shot is because of crazy people who have not been taught right from wrong think shooting people is okay.

[crono35]

A large keypad safe with everything in it, and a small quick access handgun safe in your nightstand should be plenty. I'm home 99% of the time so I don't worry about it too much, if you're out most of the time you may want some more security.

[JDay]

Buy a gun safe (not a flimsy cabinet) and keep them locked.

[crono35]

Also, the argument of "I grew up around unlocked guns and never shot anybody" is pointless. An overwhelming majority of car rides don't end in accidents, but we still have insurance for a reason.

No matter how well you raise a child, you cannot GUARANTEE that they will behave a certain way. That kind of trust needs to be earned, and until it is, safe is better than sorry.

[Robert458]

Also, the argument of "I grew up around unlocked guns and never shot anybody" is pointless. An overwhelming majority of car rides don't end in accidents, but we still have insurance for a reason.

No matter how well you raise a child, you cannot GUARANTEE that they will behave a certain way. That kind of trust needs to be earned, and until it is, safe is better than sorry.

Insurance doesn't prevent accidents. You're just trying to change the topic. As long as you discipline your kids and be a good parent, you can hand your child a loaded gun and simply tell them to keep the finger off of the trigger at all times. Most kids will understand this. Same goes for telling them to never touch the guns without permission, they'll understand unless they are spoiled. Having a good father is what I'm trying to say I guess.

[Teachu2]

1) http://www.homedepot.com/p/Stack-On-...-E-S/202996361
2) Take the kid shooting. Teach him the four rules, and let him shoot every gun you own. Curiosity kills more than cats. As an added plus, it may help your relationship.

I acquired three stepsons at the ages of 6,7, and 12. I took all three and their mother to the range before we married, and let them each shoot my carry gun - a 2.5" M66. Satisfied the curiosity and educated them that it wasn't a toy. Now, 27 years later, they are all grown and own guns - and gun safes.

[crono35]

Insurance doesn't prevent accidents. You're just trying to change the topic. As long as you discipline your kids and be a good parent, you can hand your child a loaded gun and simply tell them to keep the finger off of the trigger at all times. Most kids will understand this. Same goes for telling them to never touch the guns without permission, they'll understand unless they are spoiled. Having a good father is what I'm trying to say I guess.

Insurance doesn't prevent accidents, but it's there in case one does occur. The part in bold is what bothers me. Even if all but ONE kid understands this, it's reason enough to take precautions.

I'm not saying never to let your kids handle the weapons- we all know that the best toys are the ones you're not allowed to play with- but definitely do not leave them at home alone with unlocked weapons until you know they can be trusted with them.

[Tm27tt]

get a safe
teach him firearms safety
take him out shooting.
... i started my kids @ 7 yrs old

[Chunky_lover]

You're another brainwashed sheep. No that is not the reason. The reason they get stolen is because burglars take them. The reason people get shot is because of crazy people who have not been taught right from wrong think shooting people is okay.

you do realize kids probably shoot and kill more people playing games online then most adults will ever think about doing
for them pulling the trigger is second nature and what you normally do

and finding weapons in the house that are the same ones they use in games is just asking for trouble

any kid would love to dig out a rifle from inside the closet and start playing with it

even if your kids were the best well trained in handling weapons all it takes is the bone head neighbor kid to take your out in the open unlocked weapon and get into major trouble




and im not brainwashed
just stating the laws in CA

just like im sure your brainwashed to use a mag lock right, because we all know preventing fast reloading will save lives too even if it sits in the house and never gets used

what you choose to do wont ever effect me
but its best to keep all bases covered when someone asks a question and there is a law that answers it very easily

[Chunky_lover]

You've made this claim twice in this thread, and you are wrong. Stop spreading FUD. The law is not "have to lock guns up when kids are around" as there is far more to it than that, including how it is legal to have guns unlocked or even unattended by an adult with kids around, including kids using them.

Read: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=25100-25135

read the first sentence



Child safety

Firearms must be kept locked up when children may be present.

[Merc1138]

read the first sentence



Child safety

Firearms must be kept locked up when children may be present.

Read the entire page. Penal codes aren't reliant on simply the first sentence. If you cannot understand the law, stop making crap up when you decide to tell other people how it incorrectly works. Just give them the information(just like I provided for you), and people can make their own decisions regarding the matter. Here is the link again:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=25001-26000&file=25100-25135

I'm not posting random nonsense(seriously, I have no idea where you got that crap from, but it doesn't matter. The PC number in whatever your source is, isn't correct either). Here's the text since you can't be bothered to click and read

PENAL CODE
SECTION 25100-25135



25100. (a) Except as provided in Section 25105, a person commits
the crime of "criminal storage of a firearm in the first degree" if
all of the following conditions are satisfied:
(1) The person keeps any loaded firearm within any premises that
are under the person's custody or control.
(2) The person knows or reasonably should know that a child is
likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the
child's parent or legal guardian, or that a person prohibited from
possessing a firearm or deadly weapon pursuant to state or federal
law is likely to gain access to the firearm.
(3) The child obtains access to the firearm and thereby causes
death or great bodily injury to the child or any other person, or the
person prohibited from possessing a firearm or deadly weapon
pursuant to state or federal law obtains access to the firearm and
thereby causes death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or
any other person.
(b) Except as provided in Section 25105, a person commits the
crime of "criminal storage of a firearm in the second degree" if all
of the following conditions are satisfied:
(1) The person keeps any loaded firearm within any premises that
are under the person's custody or control.
(2) The person knows or reasonably should know that a child is
likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the
child's parent or legal guardian, or that a person prohibited from
possessing a firearm or deadly weapon pursuant to state or federal
law is likely to gain access to the firearm.
(3) The child obtains access to the firearm and thereby causes
injury, other than great bodily injury, to the child or any other
person, or carries the firearm either to a public place or in
violation of Section 417, or the person prohibited from possessing a
firearm or deadly weapon pursuant to state or federal law obtains
access to the firearm and thereby causes injury, other than great
bodily injury, to himself or herself or any other person, or carries
the firearm either to a public place or in violation of Section 417.
(c) Except as provided in Section 25105, a person commits the
crime of "criminal storage of a firearm in the third degree" if the
person keeps any loaded firearm within any premises that are under
the person's custody or control and negligently stores or leaves a
loaded firearm in a location where the person knows, or reasonably
should know, that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm
without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian,
unless reasonable action is taken by the person to secure the firearm
against access by the child.



25105. Section 25100 does not apply whenever any of the following
occurs:
(a) The child obtains the firearm as a result of an illegal entry
to any premises by any person.
(b) The firearm is kept in a locked container or in a location
that a reasonable person would believe to be secure.
(c) The firearm is carried on the person or within close enough
proximity thereto that the individual can readily retrieve and use
the firearm as if carried on the person.
(d) The firearm is locked with a locking device, as defined in
Section 16860, which has rendered the firearm inoperable.
(e) The person is a peace officer or a member of the Armed Forces
or the National Guard and the child obtains the firearm during, or
incidental to, the performance of the person's duties.
(f) The child obtains, or obtains and discharges, the firearm in a
lawful act of self-defense or defense of another person.
(g) The person who keeps a loaded firearm on premises that are
under the person's custody or control has no reasonable expectation,
based on objective facts and circumstances, that a child is likely to
be present on the premises.



25110. (a) Criminal storage of a firearm in the first degree is
punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section
1170 for 16 months, or two or three years, by a fine not exceeding
ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both that imprisonment and
fine; or by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, by
a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that
imprisonment and fine.
(b) Criminal storage of a firearm in the second degree is
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year,
by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both
that imprisonment and fine.
(c) Criminal storage of a firearm in the third degree is
punishable as a misdemeanor.



25115. If a person who allegedly violated Section 25100 is the
parent or guardian of a child who is injured or who dies as the
result of an accidental shooting, the district attorney shall
consider, among other factors, the impact of the injury or death on
the person alleged to have violated Section 25100 when deciding
whether to prosecute the alleged violation. It is the Legislature's
intent that a parent or guardian of a child who is injured or who
dies as the result of an accidental shooting shall be prosecuted only
in those instances in which the parent or guardian behaved in a
grossly negligent manner or where similarly egregious circumstances
exist. This section shall not otherwise restrict, in any manner, the
factors that a district attorney may consider when deciding whether
to prosecute an alleged violation of Section 25100.



25120. (a) If a person who allegedly violated Section 25100 is the
parent or guardian of a child who was injured or who died as the
result of an accidental shooting, no arrest of the person for the
alleged violation of Section 25100 shall occur until at least seven
days after the date upon which the accidental shooting occurred.
(b) In addition to the limitation stated in subdivision (a),
before arresting a person for a violation of Section 25100, a law
enforcement officer shall consider the health status of a child who
suffered great bodily injury as the result of an accidental shooting,
if the person to be arrested is the parent or guardian of the
injured child. The intent of this section is to encourage law
enforcement officials to delay the arrest of a parent or guardian of
a seriously injured child while the child remains on life-support
equipment or is in a similarly critical medical condition.



25125. (a) The fact that a person who allegedly violated Section
25100 attended a firearm safety training course prior to the purchase
of the firearm that was obtained by a child in violation of Section
25100 shall be considered a mitigating factor by a district attorney
when deciding whether to prosecute the alleged violation.
(b) In any action or trial commenced under Section 25100, the fact
that the person who allegedly violated Section 25100 attended a
firearm safety training course prior to the purchase of the firearm
that was obtained by a child in violation of Section 25100 is
admissible.


25130. Every person licensed under Sections 26700 to 26915,
inclusive, shall post within the licensed premises the notice
required by Section 26835, disclosing the duty imposed by this
chapter upon any person who keeps a loaded firearm.



25135. (a) A person who is 18 years of age or older, and who is the
owner, lessee, renter, or other legal occupant of a residence, who
owns a firearm and who knows or has reason to know that another
person also residing therein is prohibited by state or federal law
from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm shall not
keep in that residence any firearm that he or she owns unless one of
the following applies:
(1) The firearm is maintained within a locked container.
(2) The firearm is disabled by a firearm safety device.
(3) The firearm is maintained within a locked gun safe.
(4) The firearm is maintained within a locked trunk.
(5) The firearm is locked with a locking device as described in
Section 16860, which has rendered the firearm inoperable.
(6) The firearm is carried on the person or within close enough
proximity thereto that the individual can readily retrieve and use
the firearm as if carried on the person.
(b) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
(c) The provisions of this section are cumulative, and do not
restrict the application of any other law. However, an act or
omission punishable in different ways by different provisions of law
shall not be punished under more than one provision.

edit: I even highlighted it for you. Read, learn, stop spreading FUD now that you know better.

[Johnny_Utah]

get a safe
teach him firearms safety
take him out shooting.
... i started my kids @ 7 yrs old

I think this says it all. My dad owned firearms when my brother and I were growing up. He never HID the fact that he had them. He made it very clear as early as I can remember of what they did and the consequences of mishandling them. Hell, before I got my first BB gun, I had to take a written test ( made by him) and then show safe handling. My brother and I never had ANY problems.

[Chunky_lover]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

Read the entire page. Penal codes aren't reliant on simply the first sentence. If you cannot understand the law, stop making crap up when you decide to tell other people how it incorrectly works. Just give them the information(just like I provided for you), and people can make their own decisions regarding the matter. Here is the link again:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=25001-26000&file=25100-25135

I'm not posting random nonsense(seriously, I have no idea where you got that crap from, but it doesn't matter. The PC number in whatever your source is, isn't correct either). Here's the text since you can't be bothered to click and read



edit: I even highlighted it for you. Read, learn, stop spreading FUD now that you know better.