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  • morfeeis
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2010
    • 7605

    AP: California’s Extreme Gun Control Failed

    On December 6 the Associated Press pointed out that California's aggressive gun control laws-did not stop the San Bernardino terror attacks.
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    Originally posted by Ayn Rand
    You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.
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    homelessdude
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Aug 2013
    • 2123

    The problem with the no fly list is you don't have to be charged or convicted of anything to be put on it and from what I read it is very hard to correct mistakes and get off it. Inacent until proven guilty is a dying concept in this country.

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      JDay
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Nov 2008
      • 19393

      Originally posted by homelessdude
      The problem with the no fly list is you don't have to be charged or convicted of anything to be put on it and from what I read it is very hard to correct mistakes and get off it. Inacent until proven guilty is a dying concept in this country.
      You can be put on it for pissing off the TSA. It has no accountability at all.
      Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

      The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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        Jimi Jah
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2014
        • 18929

        Ted Kennedy was on it. There are DHS employees on it. The Feds can't take away your rights for only being a suspect. That's why it won't "fly".

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        • #5
          laurelpark
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 1013

          Originally posted by homelessdude
          The problem with the no fly list is you don't have to be charged or convicted of anything to be put on it and from what I read it is very hard to correct mistakes and get off it. Inacent until proven guilty is a dying concept in this country.
          The way the no-fly list is created and managed is bizarre to say the least. I used to do a LOT of international travel for work, and I saw plenty of co-workers get hauled off to the closed-door interrogation rooms. We could never figure out what would have triggered that. The best we could come up with is that we're in the software security industry, and the term "bomb" is used all the time in communications to refer to malicious computer code.

          If talking on the phone and sending emails related to their work duties in the software security field caused them to get on someone's scrutiny list, then I think that list has no place keeping those same law-abiding citizens (and believe me, they are law-abiding professionals with US Gov security clearances...) from passing a background check.

          I do agree with the concept of background checks in principle, but only if the data being used for the background check is good.

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