Worst Firearms Instructor EVER

[ElvenSoul]

Not the worst ever!

The worst ever

Shorts own student

http://www.gunbabygun.com/gun-safety-instructor-accidentally-shoots-student/

[LowThudd]

Not the worst ever!

The worst ever

Shorts own student

http://www.gunbabygun.com/gun-safety...hoots-student/

Edit. Didn't see your link had the video also. But I posted it anyway.

No THIS is the worst ever, and he's a DEA agent. But at least he only shot himself...in front of a room full of kids.

[Wes C Addle]

That's nowhere near the worst I've seen.

Clearly those were cold weapons. I'm not saying that to excuse the safety violations, only to contrast that with the video I've seen of the idiot sitting between the targets filming students while the live fire directly to his left and right. That's right, to get that perfect shot, some cowards might use a tripod, this guy is so confident of the quality of the students he produces that he lets them fire at him while he films them.

link please

[Citadelgrad87]

link please

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/

I think this is it. The description is correct, but I can't see the video on my iPad.

[Win231]

Not the worst ever!

The worst ever

Shorts own student

http://www.gunbabygun.com/gun-safety...hoots-student/

The most amusing part of the "Mr. Professional enough" video was when he tried to continue with the class & he started to show the rifle & people yelled, "NO...NO..."

[Rastoff]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...raining-video/

I think this is it. The description is correct, but I can't see the video on my iPad.

Yet another reason to avoid that blowhard Yeager.

[Rastoff]

My comment did not pertain to this video.

Here are a couple of scenarios that I can think of that a)break safety rules and b) are beneficial to training.

1) Disarms (rule broken - muzzle) - Sure, you can use blue guns but it is not the same. You realize really quickly that a particular disarm that works on a blue gun does not work on a real gun.

Um, OK. What disarm technique works with a real gun that won't work with a blue or red gun?

2) CCW (rule broken - muzzle) I carry every day with a gun pointed at my nuts. Guess what - I practice drawing/holstering.

How you choose to carry doesn't make the practice beneficial.

3) Vehicles (rule broken - target/surrounding/muzzle) - Ever taken a vehicle class? You spend almost all day pointing a LOADED gun at something you are not willing to destroy.

No, I haven't taken any class that required me to point a loaded gun at something I cared about.

4) Dry Firing (rule broken - always loaded/surroundings/muzzle) - I dry fire all the time. In doing so I break several safety rules. I take measures to insure that nothing goes bad but I am still breaking rules.

I disagree. Dry practice can be done without breaking the rules.

5) Buying a gun (rule broken - all of them) - Have you ever worked in a gun store? The first thing someone does when you hand them a gun to check out is point it at the sales guy and pull the trigger. (this one is more of a personal rant)

This is indeed a pet peeve of mine as well as yours. Still, none of that poor gun handling is necessary or beneficial except from a training perspective on what not to do.

There will be times when we all break one or more of the rules, hopefully not at the same time. That's life and we're human therefore, not perfect. Anyone who states they have never broken any of the 4 basic rules is fooling only themselves.

All I'm getting at is there is never a time when these rules must be broken to further training. Of course we all learn from others mistakes. That's better than making them yourself. However, you don't need to intentionally break one of the basic rules to teach/train/learn.

[Click Boom]

That's nowhere near the worst I've seen.

Clearly those were cold weapons. I'm not saying that to excuse the safety violations, only to contrast that with the video I've seen of the idiot sitting between the targets filming students while the live fire directly to his left and right. That's right, to get that perfect shot, some cowards might use a tripod, this guy is so confident of the quality of the students he produces that he lets them fire at him while he films them.

I know what video(s) you're talking of, and I was Fkin dumbfounded as well. Wasn't it range time with Cory and Erika or Yeager or something? Special snowflakes, they are.

[mif_slim]

My comment did not pertain to this video.

Here are a couple of scenarios that I can think of that a)break safety rules and b) are beneficial to training.

1) Disarms (rule broken - muzzle) - Sure, you can use blue guns but it is not the same. You realize really quickly that a particular disarm that works on a blue gun does not work on a real gun.

2) CCW (rule broken - muzzle) I carry every day with a gun pointed at my nuts. Guess what - I practice drawing/holstering.

3) Vehicles (rule broken - target/surrounding/muzzle) - Ever taken a vehicle class? You spend almost all day pointing a LOADED gun at something you are not willing to destroy.

4) Dry Firing (rule broken - always loaded/surroundings/muzzle) - I dry fire all the time. In doing so I break several safety rules. I take measures to insure that nothing goes bad but I am still breaking rules.

5) Buying a gun (rule broken - all of them) - Have you ever worked in a gun store? The first thing someone does when you hand them a gun to check out is point it at the sales guy and pull the trigger. (this one is more of a personal rant)


There are TONS of scenarios where breaking rules can still lead to learning. In all of these cases measures are taken to prevent injury/damage but rules are still broken.

You're talking to range guys here... at some point, safety rule has to be broken, in the real world...its just a matter of how its broken. I too carry (8 o'clock though) and also dry fire as well. If you want to dry fire in your home and apply safety rules...you cant. you've broken rule #1-4 by just pulling the trigger at the wall/ceiling/ground etc.. However, these guys who are saying safety is a must at all times are guys who would say eyes and ears before engaging a real threat or having a pair of earplugs next to the nightstand...

*i dont condone unsafe firearm handling. "unsafe" is the keyword.

[Snoopy47]

There are scenarios that can be beneficial to learning that involve breaking safety rules.

My police academy was like that. Everyone cleared thier weapons and showed the person to thier left and right and the instructor went down the line and checked them all

[epilepticninja]

I know what video(s) you're talking of, and I was Fkin dumbfounded as well. Wasn't it range time with Cory and Erika or Yeager or something? Special snowflakes, they are.

It was a Yeager class and James took a ton of heat for it. Personally, the guy standing between the targets should have been the one taking the heat for it. And on a side note, I've taken training from some of the top instructors in NorCal, and I have been in a few classes where the instructor will accept a person's muzzle being pointed at them (after inspecting the weapon), for the sake of the training scenario.

[Doheny]

Meh.

I want 4:09 of my life back.

[orangeusa]

What about the video of the guy shooting his Glock into his foot?

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[Sleighter]

Yeah, that's pretty bad. But then again, so is the Yeager videos (plural) of not just instructors but students downrange during live fire. Also, who's the "super elite ak guru" who recently ran a shoot house after dusk and shot one of his own instructors because he didn't clear the house beforehand?

And I disagree that dry-firing requires breaking any of the 4 rules. You can establish a safe area for dry-firing and designate a "target" with a safe backstop. That eliminates any breaking of the 4 rules.

[SonofWWIIDI]

I recall watching an episode of Jerry Miculek's show where he demonstrated how some people re-holster incorrectly and end up pointing the muzzle at their thigh while holstering. He said he didn't even want a gun he had just cleared to be pointed at him. So for the demo, he removed the slide and the barrel (titled striped) and continued with the demo.

Just sayin.