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  • #61
    Ronin2
    Banned
    • Jan 2011
    • 5563

    Originally posted by ordc
    Ronin,

    Thank you for sharing what NRA has done in Cali. . . I do appreciate those efforts. However, most of those issues are defensive. I wish the NRA would go on the offensive and get California to be on par with most of the country on issues I numerated.


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    You are not being realistic in your expectations given the reality on the ground here in California (see below). In fact if that's your reason for not joining the NRA, not only is it a piss poor excuse, it's all the gun owners like you using ***** excuses like that the rationalize to your peer group why you don't spend the $35 or less / year to add to the "weight" of the NRA.

    There are four things that prevent a strong offensive effort from being successful:

    1) Overwhelming democratic voter registration and legislative dominance in Sacramento along with the anti gun agenda of the Democratic Party.

    2) As a result of the above, the need to spend money wisely and "keep the powder dry" so that in picking and choosing our battles we have the assets to bring to bare when needed.

    3) The unfortunate fact that California gun owners don't seem to mind the gun control activity in Sacremento as evidenced by:
    - the lack of concern as evidenced at the polls by the state's 7 MILLION gun owners
    - the lack of support for the NRA and its efforts by California gun owners with only 500,000 NRA members in a state with 7 million gun owners.
    - I am sure that this reality is not lost on the morons in the legislature who undoubtedly see the underwhelming support for the NRA by Ca gun owners as proof that they haven't gone too far yet!!!

    4) The importance of initiating ONLY litigation that you have a good shot at winning as losing only drives the nails in our RTKBA coffin faster.
    Last edited by Ronin2; 11-13-2015, 8:39 AM.

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    • #62
      mikeyr
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2011
      • 1554

      Originally posted by coachrv
      A life membership is $500 at Tom Gresham's guntalk.com
      Done !!!

      I didn’t find a "don’t disturb" check box like others have mentioned on the subscription page but I have the advantage of owning my own domain and e-mail so I signed up with nra@mydomain and can control the spam myself or even delete the e-mail address and re-create when needed.

      I WAS a member back in the late 1970's and early 1980's, I swear they at the time spent more on postage asking me for money then I paid in yearly dues. That was the reason I stopped my membership. I considered re-joining this year when it was $300 for life but oops, didn't do it in time. Never heard of Tom Gresham before but double checked and it seems a legit place (as legit as can be on a web check) and the web address his link sent me to was the NRA's so I signed up for life...almost debated life vs. yearly, due to my age now but did it.
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      • #63
        GW
        I need a LIFE!!
        • May 2004
        • 16078

        Damn good for you!
        Welcome aboard.
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        • #64
          ordc
          Banned
          • Nov 2015
          • 188

          Originally posted by Ronin2
          You are not being realistic in your expectations given the reality on the ground here in California (see below). In fact if that's your reason for not joining the NRA, not only is it a piss poor excuse, it's all the gun owners like you using ***** excuses like that the rationalize to your peer group why you don't spend the $35 or less / year to add to the "weight" of the NRA.

          There are four things that prevent a strong offensive effort from being successful:

          1) Overwhelming democratic voter registration and legislative dominance in Sacramento along with the anti gun agenda of the Democratic Party.

          2) As a result of the above, the need to spend money wisely and "keep the powder dry" so that in picking and choosing our battles we have the assets to bring to bare when needed.

          3) The unfortunate fact that California gun owners don't seem to mind the gun control activity in Sacremento as evidenced by:
          - the lack of concern as evidenced at the polls by the state's 7 MILLION gun owners
          - the lack of support for the NRA and its efforts by California gun owners with only 500,000 NRA members in a state with 7 million gun owners.
          - I am sure that this reality is not lost on the morons in the legislature who undoubtedly see the underwhelming support for the NRA by Ca gun owners as proof that they haven't gone too far yet!!!

          4) The importance of initiating ONLY litigation that you have a good shot at winning as losing only drives the nails in our RTKBA coffin faster.

          Apparently you have not read all my posts. I do give and I am a member. I donate to the ILA, their legislative arms as well.

          There are times though, I get contacted by them and they point out potential federal legislation that may hinder my gun rights. My response to them is that I live in California. Nothing federal that passes is worse than here and that they need to be on the offensive here in Cali.

          Gun control did not happen overnight here. But I am not going to give up hope that it cannot be reversed. If you think that will not happen, why am I staying in California?! To me, gun laws are a symptom and sign of a controlling government and I want no part of it. If I am part of the very few who wants to reverse that, why bother.


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          • #65
            poriggity
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 891

            Originally posted by GW
            Find whatever excuse you need to justify not joining to yourself.
            Just ask yourself this:
            When was the last time you heard politicians or the press or the Brady's whining about the SAF or the CCRKBA? Even though they are fighting the good fight, they are small potatoes compared to the NRA.
            Complaining about Wayne LaPierre's salary is a pretty lame reason for not joining.
            While I am not happy with the salaries of the top brass at the nra, I also understand they do a lot of good for firearms owners across the usa, althougj, california still has way too many problems that even the nra won't be able to fix. I'm skeptical of their power to make things go right in ca, but I am giving serious consideration to pony in up for a year or two to see where that's gonna get me.
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            • #66
              poriggity
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2013
              • 891

              Originally posted by GW
              Find whatever excuse you need to justify not joining to yourself.
              Just ask yourself this:
              When was the last time you heard politicians or the press or the Brady's whining about the SAF or the CCRKBA? Even though they are fighting the good fight, they are small potatoes compared to the NRA.
              Complaining about Wayne LaPierre's salary is a pretty lame reason for not joining.
              On a side note, do you think that ANYONE working for a non profit deserves almost a million a year in salary??
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              • #67
                GW
                I need a LIFE!!
                • May 2004
                • 16078

                Originally posted by poriggity
                On a side note, do you think that ANYONE working for a non profit deserves almost a million a year in salary??
                If they get the results I/we as gun owner's want, then absolutely.
                I grant that California is the toughest nut for the NRA to crack but they are here working on it and I can only imagine how much tougher the fight would be without the NRA. And never forget that the NRA, along with GOA, SAF and others, keeps the federal wolves at bay as well.The NRA is worthy of your support.
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                • #68
                  TonyNorCal
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 7853

                  When I joined, I called and said I don't want any mail or calls. I mean none, not even their silly magazine.

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                  • #69
                    TonyNorCal
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 7853

                    Originally posted by poriggity
                    On a side note, do you think that ANYONE working for a non profit deserves almost a million a year in salary??
                    I agree. They should be able to find someone exceedingly competent who feels passionately enough about the issue to do it for 1/5th of that.

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                    • #70
                      Mayor McRifle
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2013
                      • 7678

                      Originally posted by TonyNorCal
                      I agree. They should be able to find someone exceedingly competent who feels passionately enough about the issue to do it for 1/5th of that.
                      In a sense, he is. A person with his skills and ability could be earning 10 to 20 times that amount in a similar for-profit corporate position.
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                      • #71
                        ordc
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 188

                        Joining the NRA

                        Originally posted by poriggity
                        On a side note, do you think that ANYONE working for a non profit deserves almost a million a year in salary??

                        LaPierre is fighting the good fight. Much rather have him earn a mil a year vs. pro athletes who make millions, silicon valley billionaires, actors and actresses, singers, etc. . . .

                        I have to ask, are you jealous that he is making a mil a year doing something you would do for 1/4 as much? He makes the job look easy if anything which is why he gets a mil. I think a mil a year for what he does is a bargain quite frankly.


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                        • #72
                          Ronin2
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 5563

                          Originally posted by ordc
                          Apparently you have not read all my posts. I do give and I am a member. I donate to the ILA, their legislative arms as well.

                          There are times though, I get contacted by them and they point out potential federal legislation that may hinder my gun rights. My response to them is that I live in California. Nothing federal that passes is worse than here and that they need to be on the offensive here in Cali.

                          Gun control did not happen overnight here. But I am not going to give up hope that it cannot be reversed. If you think that will not happen, why am I staying in California?! To me, gun laws are a symptom and sign of a controlling government and I want no part of it. If I am part of the very few who wants to reverse that, why bother.
                          Hhh

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                          My bad. I misunderstood your position. Cheers!

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                          • #73
                            coachrv
                            Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 103

                            Originally posted by mikeyr
                            Done !!!
                            Never heard of Tom Gresham before but double checked and it seems a legit place (as legit as can be on a web check) and the web address his link sent me to was the NRA's so I signed up for life...
                            Gresham has a weekly nationally syndicated radio show where they talk about all things guns. It airs on our local station on Sunday afternoon but I listen to the podcasts, usually a good show

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                            • #74
                              Rainbow Warrior
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 10501

                              Never had the NRA try phone solicitation, Now the douche bags at the Sierra Club keep calling no matter how many times I tell them to F*** Off !
                              Don't know how they got my info but they're as annoying as can be.

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                              • #75
                                Cokebottle
                                Seņor Member
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 32373

                                Originally posted by Rainbow Warrior
                                Never had the NRA try phone solicitation, Now the douche bags at the Sierra Club keep calling no matter how many times I tell them to F*** Off !
                                Don't know how they got my info but they're as annoying as can be.
                                Ever shop at REI?
                                REI is a big supporter of SC.
                                - Rich

                                Originally posted by dantodd
                                A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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