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  • NorCalAthlete
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 1799

    Semi-serious question here - lobbying group for veterans?

    We see it time and again. Legislation full of loopholes and backdoor deals for ex law enforcement, retired or otherwise, granted exemptions to various restrictions thanks to their lobbying groups or whoever. Generally it's under the guise of training and experience. A recent example is the thread on LA exempting ex- and retired LEOs from the standard-cap mags.

    Seeing as the Supreme Court has decided that retired and ex- LEOs are no different from other civilians (but they get their exemptions anyway), I don't see any reason we can't also get some lobbying going to exempt ex- and retired military from gain the same status here in CA. After all, there's already exemptions for active duty to have NFA weapons and such if they get stationed here and bring the weapons from out of state / have permission from their commander same as LEOs who get department/chief letters.

    On the training side, military on average has a wee bit more training than LEOs, and with the last 10 years or so of deployments far more experience and discipline carrying firearms around civilians (and a lot more training on various ranges to go with it). Considering LEAs are following the military in terms of gaining weapons the military's been using for years, and now vehicles and body armor and such, I see no LOGICAL reason to deny ex military members the same status (standard cap mags, off roster firearms, no bullet buttons). NFA items like SBRs and suppressors I'm ok with staying restricted (for now) and there's enough issues surrounding CCWs without making them shall issue for ex mil or retired mil, but really just standard cap mags, off roster, and no BBs would be a fantastic start.

    What do you guys think? Is there a lobbying group powerful enough to push for it? Could one be made to push for veterans to have the same rights and status as LEOs in CA?
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    CBR_rider
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 2697

    Or we could all actually join/participate an organization that lobbies for firearms rights for everyone....
    Originally posted by bwiese
    [BTW, I have no problem seeing DEA Agents and drug cops hanging from ropes, but that's a separate political issue.]
    Stay classy, CGF and Calguns.

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    • #3
      teg33
      Veteran Member
      • May 2013
      • 3441

      No it's bad idea, we don't want to create another special class citizens. CBR suggestion is better

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      • #4
        I Swan
        Calguns Addict
        • Sep 2010
        • 8770

        Active duty from out of state exempt from NFA weapons laws if they get CO's signoff? News to me. You may mean CA designated assault weapons.

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        • #5
          NorCalAthlete
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 1799

          Originally posted by I Swan
          Active duty from out of state exempt from NFA weapons laws if they get CO's signoff? News to me. You may mean CA designated assault weapons.
          Both actually. If someone owns an SBR in another state and moves here with it they need permission from their CO to bring it into California. If it's just a CA "assault weapon" I believe they also need a CO's signature but not as sure on that part.
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          • #6
            NorCalAthlete
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2010
            • 1799

            And yeah I know I know we want to fight for everyone's rights. My line of thinking is that our esteemed leadership will fight till their last days against "everyone" having gun rights. But to take a page out of their playbook and a "death by 1000 cuts" approach to gun control, if we create one protected class...then another...then another....eventually gun control will be meaningless with enough exemptions no? "Hey, I have hearing issues. Documented disability" "ok, you can have a silencer". "Hey, I'm a military vet" "ok, you get no BB and standard mags". "Hey, I'm XYZ" "ok fine, you can have guns A,B,C".

            Just keep piling on the exemptions till their laws are meaningless.

            Probably wishful thinking, but...if it even has a chance...could be a stopgap measure till we get things struck down.
            Last edited by NorCalAthlete; 10-22-2015, 7:13 PM.
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            You Are All Ambassadors, Whether You Like It Or Not

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            Bureaucracy is the epoxy that lubricates the gears of progress.

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            • #7
              I Swan
              Calguns Addict
              • Sep 2010
              • 8770

              I did not support that law that allowed local and state LE nationwide ccw privileges. I did not like how it made a class of haves and have nots. Unless it included everyone with a ccw I did not like it. I remember some in LE bleating about it before it passed saying how we should all support passage of that law because it was a stepping stone to nationwide ccw privileges for all. Yeah right. And no I'm not a cop hater.

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              • #8
                CBR_rider
                Veteran Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 2697

                Originally posted by NorCalAthlete
                And yeah I know I know we want to fight for everyone's rights. My line of thinking is that our esteemed leadership will fight till their last days against "everyone" having gun rights. But to take a page out of their playbook and a "death by 1000 cuts" approach to gun control, if we create one protected class...then another...then another....eventually gun control will be meaningless with enough exemptions no? "Hey, I have hearing issues. Documented disability" "ok, you can have a silencer". "Hey, I'm a military vet" "ok, you get no BB and standard mags". "Hey, I'm XYZ" "ok fine, you can have guns A,B,C".

                Just keep piling on the exemptions till their laws are meaningless.

                Probably wishful thinking, but...if it even has a chance...could be a stopgap measure till we get things struck down.
                Or it could lead to European style regulations.

                Want a rifle? Join a shooting club and qualify with all calibers you want for a year before you can buy them.

                Want a shotgun? Join a trap/skeet/hunting club.

                Want a handgun? Attend X number of classes, pay Y number of fees, and get permission from the chief law enforcement officer first.

                Want a different caliber of any of the above weapons? Requalify, more fees, and better have that firearm checked once a year to ensure safety.
                Originally posted by bwiese
                [BTW, I have no problem seeing DEA Agents and drug cops hanging from ropes, but that's a separate political issue.]
                Stay classy, CGF and Calguns.

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                • #9
                  NorCalAthlete
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 1799

                  I doubt anything like that would take hold here. At least not anytime soon. Public ranges are so busy and have so much business nobody would go for making things members-only.
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                  Bureaucracy is the epoxy that lubricates the gears of progress.

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