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  • Axelgear
    Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 394

    CA Handgun Roster rant

    The Roster of Certified Handguns is 100% legalized extortion.

    From a business standpoint, it's genius - make it law that a firearms manufacturer has to pay a hefty fee per handgun model to "ensure that it is safe for public use. I can buy a Gen 3 Glock 17 in black, but not in FDE. That particular color hasn't been "tested" and "deemed safe". I can get a Beretta PX4 in 9mm and .40, but not in .45.

    Never mind the fact that it makes absolutely no common sense. How is a tan Glock more dangerous than a black one? Why can I buy a 16 round semi-auto SRM shotgun, but not a Ruger SR9? Also forget the fact that it directly infringes on our rights as individuals, and businesses as well, but then again that never stopped the government in CA, did it? I still can't believe this is even a thing.

    Think of all the money Smith and Wesson has to shell out each year to the CA government alone. Which is consequently why they've pulled almost their entire M&P line of pistols (except the Shield).

    I've been in the industry for a while, and its infuriating to see such a thuggish tactic play out over time and not be able to really do anything about it.

    Just to try to put it in perspective for some people, heres ONE example of ONE gun, the Smith and Wesson 686.

    There's the 686, 686-1, 686-2, and so on up to the 686-6.

    Each of these is s "different gun" because of minor design tweaks (except the internal lock, nobody likes those and most don't consider it the same gun).

    Because we don't know the exact cost of the annual "testing" we will use X as a variable.

    That's X times 7 for one gun. But wait! There's more!

    A different barrel length is also considered a different gun. Smith makes the 686 with 6 different barrel lengths (when not counting Performance Center guns), 2.5", 3", 4", 5", 6", and 8 3/8".

    Multiply 7 686 models by the 6 different standard barrel lengths and we get X times 42.

    There are also "Plus" models which feature a 7-round cylinder instead of 6. These have been made since at least the 686-4.

    Multiply that 42 by 3, you get 126.

    But wait, we're only half done.

    The 686 is also made in Blued. This is called the 586.

    The current Smith 586 model is the 586-8. That's 9 models times 6 barrel lengths, you get 54. There are also "plus" variants for this gun, but only for 2 models. (I think - I'm pulling all this info from personal experience, not from the Internet! Gotta keep the rant's momentum going!)

    Add 18 to 54 to get 72.

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    After these messages we'll be right back!
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    By now I know some of you are saying "But AxelGear, some models are 6 or 7 g only certain years or models", or "Certain barrel lengths are dropped in certain models." I am fully aware of this, this rant is just here to give you a very general idea of what the state charges a manufacturer to allow them to sell in CA.

    The little BS equation I'm going to come up with is higher than the actual thing.

    OK, back to the rant.

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    And now, welcome back to the show!
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    Ok, so 126 + 72 = 198. We have X times 198.

    Thats X times 198 for an annual fee for ONE handgun series. Don't even get me started on the model 19 and model 66!

    It's no wonder then that there are only NINE 686 revolvers on the list as of this post. Check for yourself.

    This is why we can't have Gen4 Glocks in CA - Glock is refusing to pay the fee for each Gen4 model pistol. It's also why Smith dropped the vast majority of their M&P line and why Ruger dropped the SR series pistols.

    The state is slowly but surely thinning the pistols available to purchase in CA by charging exorbitant fees that nobody else charges (to my knowledge).

    This is called Extortion.
  • #2
    CessnaDriver
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2009
    • 10620

    What is the latest on bringing this down?
    Are we any closer than a year ago?

    yeah yeah two weeks.
    Seriously though.


    "Yeah, like... well, I just want to slap a hippie or two. Maybe even make them get jobs."

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    • #3
      LeadFarmer74
      Veteran Member
      • May 2015
      • 3105

      That's for saying what we are all feeling.
      NRA Lifer
      Originally posted by Click Boom
      I know your ban hammer is cold hammer forged and chrome lined, im not messin with it!

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      • #4
        Axelgear
        Member
        • Jul 2011
        • 394

        By the way I absolutely love the Blade Runner Blaster on your avatar.

        Some manufacturer could make a lot of money selling those

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        • #5
          riderr
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2013
          • 6632

          Originally posted by Axelgear
          The Roster of Certified Handguns is 100% legalized extortion.

          From a business standpoint, it's genius - make it law that a firearms manufacturer has to pay a hefty fee per handgun model to "ensure that it is safe for public use. I can buy a Gen 3 Glock 17 in black, but not in FDE. That particular color hasn't been "tested" and "deemed safe". I can get a Beretta PX4 in 9mm and .40, but not in .45.
          It's $200 per model per year. It's barely hefty for any large gun manufacturer.
          Originally posted by Axelgear
          Think of all the money Smith and Wesson has to shell out each year to the CA government alone. Which is consequently why they've pulled almost their entire M&P line of pistols (except the Shield).
          100 models - $20K annually, $5K/quater. For $1B company it's nothing.
          Last edited by riderr; 10-12-2015, 12:49 PM.

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          • #6
            GM4spd
            Calguns Addict
            • May 2008
            • 5682

            Short of an actual armed revolt,nothing is going to change,so get over it
            or move. Pete

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            • #7
              Dano3467
              Calguns Addict
              • Mar 2013
              • 7381

              Roster, wish there were Emoticons for the center pointing finger.

              Extortion is putting mildly. hostage (of Ca residents) comes a bit closer IMO.

              Ca dose indeed bleed it's citizens dry, & everyone else they can sink their claws into, all the while telling us it's good for us, & you will obey, or die, or something like that

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              • #8
                Axelgear
                Member
                • Jul 2011
                • 394

                I didn't know it was that low, I was told by a Smith representative just a couple days ago that it was close to a thousand per model after all was said and done. Maybe he was full of it?

                Regardless, Smith and Wesson has about 110 guns on roster right now. That would be 22,000 a year, which really isn't much for a big business, but think about the hundreds of "models" that they will not pay for.

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                • #9
                  CessnaDriver
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 10620

                  Originally posted by Axelgear
                  By the way I absolutely love the Blade Runner Blaster on your avatar.

                  Some manufacturer could make a lot of money selling those
                  Agreed. Easily the top all time Sci Fi guns of all time.
                  People make working ones but man you're really chopping up a couple guns to do it and gets expensive fast. And no iron sights.


                  "Yeah, like... well, I just want to slap a hippie or two. Maybe even make them get jobs."

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                  • #10
                    gogohopper
                    Veteran Member
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 4733

                    The roster blows for many reason.

                    Originally posted by Webologist
                    I am in a sympathy-free zone as well. A leftist brown shirt reaping what he sowed after profiting from it is sweet justice indeed.

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                    • #11
                      kustomkat1950
                      airplane guy/Coastal GA
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 1606

                      OP, if you really need a 686 with the big barrel, I have one...PM me. /rant
                      "When the system breaks down, you get to vote from the rooftops. Its one of the last best traditions of western enlightenment"

                      "This was an IQ test/science experiment of Josef Mengele proportions, and the public willingly lapped it up. And many failed". (me, on Wuhan flu, 2022)

                      Question EVERYTHING.

                      "Sure buddy. Whatever you say. Whatever you gotta tell yourself to sleep at night"

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                      • #12
                        pluke the 2
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 1926

                        Without reading wall text. We would have better off if you donated to the fund fighting this instead of taking your time to post this

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                        • #13
                          Axelgear
                          Member
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 394

                          I would if I made more than 30K and didn't live in a 1 bedroom apartment with my wife and kids.

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                          • #14
                            Citizen_B
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2014
                            • 1429

                            Originally posted by Axelgear
                            This is why we can't have Gen4 Glocks in CA - Glock is refusing to pay the fee for each Gen4 model pistol. It's also why Smith dropped the vast majority of their M&P line and why Ruger dropped the SR series pistols.

                            The state is slowly but surely thinning the pistols available to purchase in CA by charging exorbitant fees that nobody else charges (to my knowledge).

                            This is called Extortion.
                            The roster makes no sense today. It's just a tool for gun restriction and has absolutely nothing to do with safety. The fees are an unnecessary tax, but I wouldn't call them exorbitant given the sales volume CA has. It's just the tax to do business.

                            Also Glock and everyone else for that matter aren't submitting new pistols because of the roster tax. The reason is the 'new' requirements for mag disconnect, LCI, and microstamping. No manufacturer is going to create a new model of firearm (for every firearm) just for CA's civilian market. Again, this has nothing to do with safety, just more gun control.

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                            • #15
                              riderr
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 6632

                              Originally posted by Axelgear
                              I didn't know it was that low, I was told by a Smith representative just a couple days ago that it was close to a thousand per model after all was said and done. Maybe he was full of it?

                              Regardless, Smith and Wesson has about 110 guns on roster right now. That would be 22,000 a year, which really isn't much for a big business, but think about the hundreds of "models" that they will not pay for.
                              He might've referred to the cost of the new gun being roster-ed. In this case the manufacturer must submit three guns, ammo for testing and $200 fee. Annual re-certification costs only $200 + mailing fee + labor to print out the form, put it in the enveloper, cut a check for $200, put a stamp on and drop it off for the next USPS mail pickup.

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