Just Had Something Happen...Beware!

[Wes C Addle]

was/am selling a Vltor upper in the MP (no, this isn't an attempt to bump the upper) and was contacted by a member with a very low post count/join date. He said he was going to purchase my item and pay today, which he did. However, this member's shipping address said he was in the Philipines and that if I could ship there.

be careful shipping gun-related items outside the US, doing so is an ITAR violation, just wanted to let everyone know.

can send all pertinent info to a mod if needed.

[Bullitt01]

So did you wind up shipping it?

[adamjay]

Something similar happened to me lately - new member, low post count. Paid and gave me shipping address, turns out it was a freight forwarding company, heading out of country. I would not have known this had I not googled the address and called the company, and asked where the freight was heading. Refunded buyer. Beware.

[glock_this]

And if you do it by PayPal, and they dispute they never got it - which can be hard to prove internationally, you can almost guarantee PP will side with the buyer.

[pacrat]

Something similar happened to me lately - new member, low post count. Paid and gave me shipping address, turns out it was a freight forwarding company, heading out of country. I would not have known this had I not googled the address and called the company, and asked where the freight was heading. Refunded buyer. Beware.

Question. If you, as seller. Accept payment and ship an item to designated address given by buyer. Which is within CONUS. Why do you feel it would be illegal for you to do so?

If the address you sent it to, is a "freight forwarding" company. Wouldn't it be totally up to them, if they choose to ignore ITAR and place themselves at risk?

[SoldierLife7]

Question. If you, as seller. Accept payment and ship an item to designated address given by buyer. Which is within CONUS. Why do you feel it would be illegal for you to do so?

If the address you sent it to, is a "freight forwarding" company. Wouldn't it be totally up to them, if they choose to ignore ITAR and place themselves at risk?

I have raised this question before. I'm curious who would be liable in a situation like this. If the OP had shipped it, he would be shipping it within the U.S. and not violating any laws... The "freight forwarding" company would then violate the law by shipping it overseas.

From a legal standpoint who is liable?

[colossians323]

bump.......................er i mean, be careful shipping gun related items overseas

[deckhandmike]

I have raised this question before. I'm curious who would be liable in a situation like this. If the OP had shipped it, he would be shipping it within the U.S. and not violating any laws... The "freight forwarding" company would then violate the law by shipping it overseas.

From a legal standpoint who is liable?

It's not whether it's illegal. It's how much it will cost you in lawyer fees to prove it. Not worth the hassle.

[pluke the 2]

I have raised this question before. I'm curious who would be liable in a situation like this. If the OP had shipped it, he would be shipping it within the U.S. and not violating any laws... The "freight forwarding" company would then violate the law by shipping it overseas.

From a legal standpoint who is liable?

Well what's the description of goods and freight class? That's probably going to get it stopped before anything.

[Lead4bfast]

Can a LGS from the U.S. ship gun related items to an international gun stores located in a third world country without violating ITAR? Forgive me if this question has been asked before.

[SuperSet]

It surprises me how often folks don't know about ITAR. Not too long ago, someone here wanted to ship a bunch of ACOGs to the Ukranians.

[adamjay]

I have raised this question before. I'm curious who would be liable in a situation like this. If the OP had shipped it, he would be shipping it within the U.S. and not violating any laws... The "freight forwarding" company would then violate the law by shipping it overseas.

From a legal standpoint who is liable?

I don't think the freight forwarder would have any knowledge of what the package contained, they would just forward it.

I don't suppose I would have been liable for any wrong doing had I shipped it to the forwarding company - but who knows. I definitely know that I wouldnt like to get caught up in anything to do with that situation.

"Hi, I'm with the state department, he is with ATF, he is with DOJ, She is with Customs, she is with NSA and I think you know the Sherriff... Mind if we come in?"

Besides all that - I'd hate to think my gear would end up on the wrong side of a front line, ya know?

[Capt.Dunsel]

Question. If you, as seller. Accept payment and ship an item to designated address given by buyer. Which is within CONUS. Why do you feel it would be illegal for you to do so?

If the address you sent it to, is a "freight forwarding" company. Wouldn't it be totally up to them, if they choose to ignore ITAR and place themselves at risk?

I would say you could ask someone that has "supposedly" done it , or "allegedly" tried .

Forward you question on this matter to L. Yee , or maybe "Shrimpboy " Cho they have/ has the connections.

[cdtx2001]

Good thing I only deal locally and in cash.

[Steve_In_29]

I have raised this question before. I'm curious who would be liable in a situation like this. If the OP had shipped it, he would be shipping it within the U.S. and not violating any laws... The "freight forwarding" company would then violate the law by shipping it overseas.

From a legal standpoint who is liable?

Good luck proving to the Feds that you didn't know where the weapon was headed.