Basic Pistol Class = wife pissed

[Montu]

So my Brother in law wants to buy a gun SO I used this opportunity to talk my wife into going with us to a basic Pistol class...well long story short:

My wife has nerve damage in her shoulder which means her shooting sessions must be short, she also finds the tea cup saucer grip is much more comfortable for her (right shoulder injury)

The class only showed the thumbs forward grip and she was unable to shoot a qualifying group toward the end of the class (started off OK then fatigue set in)

I'm disappointed in the classes one grip fits all way of thinking...is this normal? I was expecting the range time to be a little more individual based.

[pluke the 2]

not sure if that is normal. only way to know is to have further instructions perhaps by a different trainer?

and did you ask the question in your training?

did they tell you that this was the only way?

where was this?

what trainer?

[Jimi Jah]

Get here a personnal trainer that can give her the tips she needs.

[Wordupmybrotha]

Did you tell the trainer about her shoulder condition?
Not sure how many trainers are out there with telepathic powers.

[bazineta]

Typically a trainer will advise against the teacup grip with a semi auto in order to avoid the offhand being in a bad place in the event of a double charge or other kaboom-type event, which tends to vent down the mag well.

[barrage]

I forget what season of Top Shot it was, but there was one episode where the Asian golf instructor ignored the professional advice being given during pre-elimination training by insisting on using a teacup grip for his handgun shooting. He took a lot of crap for it, then promptly schooled both the training session and the elimination challenge with his "wrong" style.

[Merc1138]

Typically a trainer will advise against the teacup grip with a semi auto in order to avoid the offhand being in a bad place in the event of a double charge or other kaboom-type event, which tends to vent down the mag well.

That grip also doesn't accomplish much of anything with regard to control of the weapon either... unless you have a reason you can't use a modern normal grasp with your off hand(like an injury). If it was brought up to the instructor and he ignored it, that's kinda crap. But if it wasn't mentioned, then expecting that to be taught makes no sense.

[Montu]

It was mentioned and they (multiple instructors) insisted she stick with thumbs forward.

This was at Scottsdale Gun Club.

[mif_slim]

That sucks. Forcing a person to do what their not comfortable with.

I hear a lot of "you have to do it this way" both in firearms and archery scene but i found that whatever you do best is the best for you but do not exclude what your being taught. In your wife case, she had an injury, they should of let her do what she felt comfortable.

[NYT]

Typically a trainer will advise against the teacup grip with a semi auto in order to avoid the offhand being in a bad place in the event of a double charge or other kaboom-type event, which tends to vent down the mag well.

exactly. no trainer should ever allow that grip with a magazine fed weapon.

[hermosabeach]

not going to blame the instruction due to limited info....

?But if one has a medical issue, was that discussed before the class?

Could she have used a woodsman or other 22 that is lightweight and limited recoil?

If you understood that a long shooting session would hurt her, why did you invite her along????

[Montu]

not going to blame the instruction due to limited info....

?But if one has a medical issue, was that discussed before the class?

Could she have used a woodsman or other 22 that is lightweight and limited recoil?

If you understood that a long shooting session would hurt her, why did you invite her along????

My question was basically if the basic pistol class was limited to ONLY showing the thumbs forward.

I do realize that I was unaware of how long the shooting session would be (I've never been to formal training and there was very limited info on the class) had I known I probably would not have encouraged her to come. Our class had half the normal attendance so I think that gave us double the range time (good for everyone else)

Also I don't own a 22 but yes that would have been the thing to do (she used the m&p 9 full size which she likes)

Also her injury did not come up prior to the class but did come up during the class, I really assumed that bringing it up during would simply have led to them trying to figure out a more comfortable grip.

For the record I'm not trashing the instructors, they actually helped me get my groups quite a bit tighter.

[k1dude]

Too many instructors are indoctrinated into the latest fad dogma. It's ONLY this way or the highway.

I agree in the beginning of the class to teach one technique that fits all. But as the class progresses, it may become apparent that some people have personal quirks that need accommodation. Or they might be experienced shooters that know what works for them.

As far as I'm concerned, use what works for YOU. As long as it's safe and effective, go for it.

I've seen people do very strange things with their golf swing and pistol grip, but they shoot lights out. So who am I to tell them they're doing it wrong?

Thumbs out, thumbs down, one eye, both eyes, teacup, one hand, two hands, who cares? As long as it works for you and you are proficient, it's OK by me.

It think it's important the student learns what correct technique is, but whether they use it or not to shoot their best is up to them.

[Steve G]

So my Brother in law wants to buy a gun SO I used this opportunity to talk my wife into going with us to a basic Pistol class...well long story short:

My wife has nerve damage in her shoulder which means her shooting sessions must be short, she also finds the tea cup saucer grip is much more comfortable for her (right shoulder injury)

The class only showed the thumbs forward grip and she was unable to shoot a qualifying group toward the end of the class (started off OK then fatigue set in)

I'm disappointed in the classes one grip fits all way of thinking...is this normal? I was expecting the range time to be a little more individual based.

If you want individual instruction you should get her individual training. There's no time in a group class to adjust to the way your wife wants to do things. Instead of you and your wife being "pissed" why don't you pay for the individual training your wife "needs"? Probably not the best idea to "expect" anything from a group class.

[Montu]

If you want individual instruction you should get her individual training. There's no time in a group class to adjust to the way your wife wants to do things. Instead of you and your wife being "pissed" why don't you pay for the individual training your wife "needs"? Probably not the best idea to "expect" anything from a group class.

So then group classes are like YouTube ? Good to know.