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  • shda5582
    Senior Member
    • May 2013
    • 1175

    Using liberals tactics against them

    Sitting here watching the new Robocop movie and I noticed how Novak (Samuel L. Jackson's character) was taking the central issue of the movie and twisting it around, not falsely, but in such a way as to simplify the issue and appeal to the common person in a more emotional manner. I won't post exactly what was said because I hate doing spoilers, but it got me thinking regarding our 2a Rights and sparked a few interesting questions.

    1. I know that that is more a liberal tactic than what we'd be used to, but the fact of the matter is that what they're doing is getting them wins. I cite the recent gay marriage fight as a good example of this: by appealing to emotion, they got more people to support their side of things and achieve the win they wanted through popular support. So the first question: do you think that this could be a viable means towards achieving our own goals/aims? Why or why not?

    2. So you need to appeal to emotion, in a way that is going to deflect the dislike of firearms into dislike of another matter, or in trying to promote the anti-politicans as being pro-something bad. Using the movie as an example, instead of us trying to make people like firearms or to promote how they are good, why not deflect that issue onto something else and try to make it seem like the anti's are pro-crime, pro-rape, anti-women's rights, heck go so far as to say anti-family. All of these are valid points that we have raised over the years, just in a much more milder sense (pro-crime: more guns=less crime. Pro-rape: women can defend themselves from rape, also works on women's rights. Anti-family: you have a way to protect your family from threats of a robber/attacker). The difference now is that by painting the anti's as say...pro-crime or pro-rape we then deflect the issue from us trying to be pro-gun and force THEM on the defensive. Afterall, what politician is going to want to be known as pro-rape when it comes time to seek the "women vote"? And how do they get away from that stigma? By being pro-gun and thus allowing women the ability to defend themselves. (which is a point we have pushed all along).

    Thoughts?
    Originally posted by DRH
    I think Claire Wolf said it best as "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
    Originally posted by Kestryll
    Seriously??
    Have you looked around?
    Nutjobs are the staple of CGN, at least in OT.
    Originally posted by Joshua Tree
    Then again, Dick's never ceases to leave a bad taste in the mouth.
  • #2
    Whiterabbit
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2010
    • 7592

    gay marriage was a win because it was about love. You don;t get that with guns. Watch the "next" gay activism fizzle and die, or no even get off the ground. No love for the next round.

    There is no appeal to emotion with firearms. Only appeal to fear.

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    • #3
      shda5582
      Senior Member
      • May 2013
      • 1175

      Well that's kind of what I was getting at: we use an appeal to emotion more than we do for an appeal to reason/logic. What sounds better: no more gun laws because we have the Right to own firearms and it's law, or: no more gun laws so that your baby girl that just shipped off to college has a way to fight back against a man looking to rape her? Then you flip that: if a politician is anti-gun, then you could turn around and paint that individual as not caring if your baby girl gets raped at college, so long as their political aims are achieved. If you, as a father, heard that, what would be your reaction?

      We can make firearms more about....not really love, but more emotion-based, which is what the anti's are kinda doing against us right now. Parading the kids from Sandy Hook about as political poker chips was a HUGE emotional hook. That's why I ask if we shouldn't start doing the same tactic and if it would have value.
      Originally posted by DRH
      I think Claire Wolf said it best as "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
      Originally posted by Kestryll
      Seriously??
      Have you looked around?
      Nutjobs are the staple of CGN, at least in OT.
      Originally posted by Joshua Tree
      Then again, Dick's never ceases to leave a bad taste in the mouth.

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      • #4
        Whiterabbit
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2010
        • 7592

        Originally posted by shda5582
        Then you flip that: if a politician is anti-gun, then you could turn around and paint that individual as not caring if your baby girl gets raped at college, so long as their political aims are achieved. If you, as a father, heard that, what would be your reaction?.
        Like I said. Appeal to fear. Unlike your example of gay marriage, which is an appeal to love. Now that appeal to love is gone, see how far the agenda goes.

        Your example of appeal to emotion only works with the feel gooders if it's appeal to love. fear doesn;t feel good.

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        • #5
          Noble Cause
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 2633

          The Real Problem is the Decades of biased, Anti Gun Mass Media "reporting".

          Your tactic of "Using liberals tactics against them" is unlikely to gain any
          mainstream acceptance because the Mass Media wouldn't allow it:















          The tactic might be successful on a One on One discussion, depending on
          the person you are conversing with. A true, Anti Gun Zealot cannot be
          reasoned with or converted, their cognitive dissonance will not allow it.


          Noble

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