Is this legal transport?

[adamjay]

I've read the wiki - just want to make sure I am on track.

Handgun, no magazine in gun. Gun and magazine in a locked quick access handgun safe in the console of the vehicle. (Yes, best to bolt down the safe.)

Daily driver - not en route to the range.

Legal, right?

[Librarian]

Also no round in the chamber.

Stay away from destinations where all guns are prohibited, and you should be fine doing as you describe.

[pacrat]

I've read the wiki - just want to make sure I am on track.

Handgun, no magazine in gun. Gun and magazine in a locked quick access handgun safe in the console of the vehicle. (Yes, best to bolt down the safe.)

Daily driver - not en route to the range.

Legal, right?

Well maybe, kinda sorta. Cannot use part of vehicle such as console or glove box. Even if lockable.

Bolting a safe to the vehicle makes it a utility container and it is now part of the vehicle.

Still an undetermined legal grey area. Probably intentionally so. If you get stopped by a LEO, that just happens to be a dick on a given day. You could be in Deep DooDoo. Most are not gun guys to start with. And many choose to err on the side of Busting Balls when guns are involved.

Worth the risk you will become a test case? Only you can decide. Better to leave it under the seat, and then move it to the trunk when you leave the vehicle.

[adamjay]

Also no round in the chamber.

Stay away from destinations where all guns are prohibited, and you should be fine doing as you describe.

Thanks, Librarian, hoping you would show for a quick answer.
Yes, no round in chamber.
Can you flesh this second part out - do you mean Post Office Parking lot and the like?

[trigger945]

^^^One example is a gun-free school zone or GFSZ

[adamjay]

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Well maybe, kinda sorta. Cannot use part of vehicle such as console or glove box. Even if lockable.

Right, my scenario has a locked quick access safe.

Bolting a safe to the vehicle makes it a utility container and it is now part of the vehicle.

I had not considered that. Is this speculation or can you cite case law or PC? How about cabling it in or otherwise securing it? How about locking the console which contains the loose, unattached locked case when I leave the car?

Still an undetermined legal grey area. Probably intentionally so. If you get stopped by a LEO, that just happens to be a dick on a given day. You could be in Deep DooDoo. Most are not gun guys to start with. And many choose to err on the side of Busting Balls when guns are involved.

Well, that may be. I suppose having the PC on hand couldn't hurt. But, what I'm asking about here is the Law, not whether or not the random LEO will know or follow it. Still, worthy consideration.

Worth the risk you will become a test case? Only you can decide. Better to leave it under the seat, and then move it to the trunk when you leave the vehicle.

Surely you mean, under the seat in a locked case, right?

Thanks for your reply and contribution to the thread.

[adamjay]

^^^One example is a gun-free school zone or GFSZ

Well, I think your still good, because it is in a locked container (quick access handgun safe), no?

[LowThudd]

In the console is a bad idea. In a locked box or not, as the law specifically makes a gun in the glove box or console prohibited. Just asking for trouble. IMHO.

[Librarian]

In the console is a bad idea. In a locked box or not, as the law specifically makes a gun in the glove box or console prohibited. Just asking for trouble. IMHO.

It's possible an investigating LEO might agree with you, but so long as the gun itself is in a locked container, it should not matter where that container is located - "Should" being the weasel-word here.

For myself, were I to want to put a gun safe in my console, I wouldn't worry about it. But I know my risk is extremely low, since I have had no 'official' contact with LEO in over 30 years.

[pacrat]

In the console is a bad idea. In a locked box or not, as the law specifically makes a gun in the glove box or console prohibited. Just asking for trouble. IMHO.

I agree. Once you bolt it into the console. You have turned it into nothing more than a "reinforced console".

Whether you go on your merry way after a LE encounter. Or take that uncomfortable ride in the back seat, while sitting on cuffs. Would be totally up to the discretion of the LEO.

I had not considered that. Is this speculation or can you cite case law or PC? How about cabling it in or otherwise securing it? How about locking the console which contains the loose, unattached locked case when I leave the car?

Sorry no cite. Hence Grey Area. Law says no locked glove box or console. But must be in locked container. Whether an officer determines a container bolted to the car, part of the car, is a utility box like a console, is up to their discretion to interpret.

My preferrence would be under seat in locked container when in car. Or even on seat but out of sight under a jacket. Locked in trunk when not in car.

If left under seat, it is just a broken window away from disappearing in a auto burglary. At least in the trunk it is secured behind steel trunk lid.

Just more stupid senseless do nothing but restrict law abiding citizens type law. It's Commyfreak'nfornia. Don't expect meaningfull common sense legislation.

JM2c

[adamjay]

Thanks for the input, all.
Just shows that even if we bend over backwards to abide by our crazy laws, we can still be in for some trouble given LEO discretion. Cant hardly blame them for not being able to keep it straight. Can't win for losin! I guess the way to go is under the seat in a locked container, printed PC on hand. Better yet, CCW for those of us in a free(er) county.

[stitchnicklas]

i use a keyed pistol safe in my truck and keep a small 38 in it daily,used a cable to lock to seal frame...

[lakersfan]

Inside the trunk, no separate container needed.

In the cabin, handguns need to be in it's own "lockable container".

You can't use the glove box, center console or other utility areas as your MAIN "lockable container".

Everything else should be ok.