A Dilemna:

[elcajon]

A friend in AZ has a prob I and i am sure many others wished we had:

He is a long time resident who is an avid gun enthusiast. He has accumulated over 100 + firearms. The problem is he is needing to move to California ASAP for work. He wants to keep quite a few. I am sure a lot of the handguns are off list which is not problem except he has to pin quite a few if the standard capacity mags or leave them in AZ and buy 10 rounders when he is here in CA. A few rifles will remain in AZ as they are deemed AW in CALIFORNIA.

He knows to register them within 60 days of the move. The funny thing is he fears that if he registers the 100 or so firearms all at once, he would be visited by Big Brother!��

On the other hand, he said he cannot sell more than four in a year here as The powers that be would consider him a vendor.....

The other issue is he said the he will not be able to get all the firearms into CA all at once as he has such a short notice on his move. He will need to get back to AZ a few times within the year to complete the move along with his other cars. He is quite certain he will not be able to get them within two months as he does not have any time off till Christmas.

So I guess the question is : will he have to send his own guns in AZ to an FfL in CA and transferred to himself? If so then , what about the roster for HGs? He does not want anyone to be presumptuous due to the timeline .

He wants me to fly to AZ to help with bullet buttons and what not but I cannot as much as I would love to!

Sorry for the long post but I don't have much in the way of advice on his many concerns and wonder if anyone could offer better counsel.

[Kowan]

Has he considered a closed trailer to move all he's going to bring in at one time?

[SkyHawk]

IMO - he should bring every off roster handgun in the first trip, that way he doesn't have to worry about the roster later. Every other problem can be dealt with later, except the roster. He can leave the mags in AZ until he has time to block them.

I would also think he could submit the new resident form for all of the firearms, even if he leaves some behind due to logistics of the move.

P27585 says a resident of CA has to transfer firearms acquired out of state and being brought into the state, to themselves by delivering them first to a FFL in CA, but only if the firearms were acquired AFTER Jan 1 2015.

So I would also bring in first trip, any firearms he actually acquired after Jan 1. Other than that, he is just another CA resident with a home out of state, and he can bring in firearms anytime, that he honestly acquired before Jan 1 2015, to his CA residence if they are CA legal config and he sends in the paperwork.

If it were me I would report all the firearms on one new resident form even if I couldn't bring them all in one trip - and don't worry about big brother shoulder rolling in. There are plenty of Calgunners with more than 100 guns that DOJ knows about.

27585. (a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state
shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport
into this state, any firearm that he or she purchased or otherwise
obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state
unless he or she first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this
state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set
forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700)
and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.

[R Dale]

I think if it was me I would put most of them in storage in AZ until I could sell them I would not bother with trying to register them in CA because for one thing what is legal today in CA may not be in a year or two.

[sealocan]

I'm sorry I don't have specific answers to all your questions hopefully someone will come along and answer them but in the meantime there's lots of great answers on the "Calgun Foundation Wiki information pages"

I know I learned a lot there and there are lots of sections to read through that may pertain to him.
to me the best part is they break down are complex & confusing California firearms laws in too easy to understand language.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Main_Page

[russ69]

...On the other hand, he said he cannot sell more than four in a year here as The powers that be would consider him a vendor.....

That doesn't sound correct. I believe Arizona allows face to face sales without restrictions. The limit on sales is for people running a business without an FFL not for a person selling a collection. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[bsim]

Anything he doesn't want on a CA registration list should be held/disposed of in AZ.

Anything else he needs to report within 60 days.

[Marquand]

Concerning the "can't sell more than four here or he will be considered a vendor" issue, that's not the case.

A person can engage in five Private Party Transactions per calendar year as a seller without attracting the attention of the CA DOJ over unlicensed vendor claims. A single transaction can involve any number of firearms as long as they go to the same individual. Theoretically if I have 100 firearms and I sell five different buyers 20 guns each at one time I am within the limitations set.

OP, your friend should spend some time on the CA DOJ website and collect some additional information so that he is clear on what he can and cannot do. He should also consider bringing in as many off roster handguns as he can in the event he should decide to sell them, thereby adding some otherwise unobtainable firearms to the CA market. Everyone benefits from such a situation.

[johnny_boy02]

I would bring everything I have that can be legally registered. If it's all on the up and up who cares if you get a visit. There are probably thousands of CA residents with 100 or more guns.

[vliberatore]

Can't he ship them to himself in CA?

[elcajon]

Heavy weight on my mind

He asked me to help him verify a few rifles to see if they are AW under CA laws.

I consulted the chart and had identified a few that are banished by name like his HK 91s and 93s. I am fearful that I might slip on one or two and then he sends the form in and moves them to his new CA residence!

Btw, what would DOJ do if that were the case? Would they reject the form and / or write to inform him of the "illegal " firearm ? As per Skyhawk, would it be wiser to submit/register all the rifles (and HGs) on one new resident form once he is in CA prior to actually moving them here? He then can return to AZ during Christmas holiday to get them back into CA?

He trusts me but I hate the burden of this responsibility !

Thanks so much to everyone who has contributed .

[elcajon]

Can't he ship them to himself in CA?

Great question ...