Another Stupid Gun Control Study...

[gunsrfun1974]

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/defensive-gun-use-armed-with-reason-hemenway/

According to this Harvard professor you are not any more safe defending yourself if you have a gun compared to not having one. In fact, he states that you are safer hiding and calling the police. Sorry Hemenway, I am keeping my .45 in my nightstand because you, nor the police will ever be there to protect me and my family in case of a burglary or a home invasion. So what are your thoughts on this fellas?

Let me get some popcorn going. I cannot wait for the responses

[repomanNWP]

The only good thing about these anti-gun "studies" is that they are all the same, using the same flawed data, skewed statistics and absence of logic. They are easily debunked.

[jaymz]

So professor, you hear someone outside your bedroom door at 3 am. Where the hell are you gonna hide? Under the blankets? No thanks.

[Tiberius]

Every day there are reports of people successfully defending or saving themselves with a firearm. I'm sure they'd be interested to learn that according to this bozo's statistics, they'd have been better off being killed/raped whatever.

[email]

This study fails in that it only considers instances where the gun was actually used .

Factoring in all the times guns are displayed but are not fired would skew the results in a pro-gun direction.


However....that's obviously not the purpose of this exercise...

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[Vlad 11]

Why does law enforcement use firearms in self defence situations then?

Just the latest rehashing of the old tired "Safe, Non-Violent, Limp" or the SNiVeL Technique

SNiVeL

With home-invasion robberies on the rise, we here at HCI offer you the following guide to surviving such an encounter without resorting to violence.

Owning a dog is a wonderful and rewarding experience. A dog will also provide a valuable deterrent to home-invasion crimes. We recommend a small, passive, NON-VIOLENT breed that barks, yaps and generally raises hell at every little noise. The barking will warn you of a potential threat, giving you time to act.

If a socially misguided soul does attempt to hack his way into your home, immediately call 911. Try to reason with the intruder until help arrives. Tell him that you have called for assistance and that the peace officers are on their way. Inform him that you have no intentions of harming him. Reassure him of this by explaining that you don't believe in violence and own NO weapons of your own.

Should the misguided intruder smash his way into your home despite your efforts, experts agree you should run like hell. Don't allow any obstacles to get in your way! This includes the bodies of other residents of the household or the yappy little mutt you purchased for just such an emergency.

Should escape be impossible, utilize the Safe, Non-Violent, Limp, or the SNiVeL, Technique, which was developed by our own Josh Suckerman.

Do The SNiVeL:

Step 1: "S" is for Safe - Assume a safe, fetal position, preferably under a table or other cover.

Step 2: "N" & "V" are for Non-Violent - Remember, remain non-violent. Moves that could be interpreted as 'self-defense' may only serve to further provoke your assailant. Offer no resistance.

Step 3: "L" is for Limp - Remain limp while begging and groveling for your life!!! This is no time for pride or courage, so cry like a girl, you fool!!! This will always serve you better than a firearm, which would only inject more violence into the situation. Finally, stay limp until your assailant has finished beating you like a rented mule. He will eventually tire from pummeling you mercilessly and choose to move on to a more entertaining endeavor, such as beating your spouse and/or children.
After the attack, you can evaluate how well this proven technique worked for you.

[SonofWWIIDI]

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/defe...ason-hemenway/

According to this Harvard professor you are not any more safe defending yourself if you have a gun compared to not having one. In fact, he states that you are safer hiding and calling the police. Sorry Hemenway, I am keeping my .45 in my nightstand because you, nor the police will ever be there to protect me and my family in case of a burglary or a home invasion. So what are your thoughts on this fellas?

Let me get some popcorn going. I cannot wait for the responses

Additionally, the chances of anyone being there (and willing to help) in the event you are robbed or attacked on the street are quite slim. The police will respond (reactionary not preventive or defensive), but very rarely are they in the exact spot they are needed at the exact moment they are needed.

I'm not bashing LEO, it's just not statically possible for a LEO to be at the scene of all crimes while they are in progress.

[SonofWWIIDI]

This study fails in that it only considers instances where the gun was actually used .

Factoring in all the times guns are displayed but are not fired would skew the results in a pro-gun direction.


However....that's obviously not the purpose of this exercise...

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The studies by DR. Gary Kleck and his co author(s) support this statement.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/defensive-gun-ownership-gary-kleck-response-115082

[barrage]

I'll remember that the next time I come across some tweekers in the mountains or some stupid whore who got the wrong room number's pimp starts banging on my hotel room door at 1am.

Funny how my friend who was slightly apprehensive to me having a gun on that trip changed his attitude that night and told me the next day how much easier he could sleep after being a little rattled, knowing my gun was on the night stand.

Maybe that Bolshevik intellectual from Harvard should try joining us in the real world where real world things happen sometimes.

[LowThudd]

Funny, Obama's own commissioned report shows that those who used a firearm for self defense were likely to have fewer injuries:

http://www.ncdsv.org/images/IOM-NRC_Priorities-for-Research-to-reduce-the-threat-of-firearm-related-violence_2013.pdf

From Page 26

Defensive Use of Guns
Defensive uses of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence,
although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996;
Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive
gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by
criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to
more than 3 million per year (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about
300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the
other hand, some scholars point to radically lower estimate of only
108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization
Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per
year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken
from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is
difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically
about defensive gun use

From page 27

A different issue is whether defensive uses of guns, however numerous
or rare they may be, are effective in preventing injury to the gunwielding
crime victim. Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual
defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the
crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have
found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims
compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies (Kleck,
1988; Kleck and DeLone, 1993; Southwick, 2000; Tark and Kleck,
2004). Effectiveness of defensive tactics, however, is likely to vary
across types of victims, types of offenders, and circumstances of the
crime, so further research is needed, both to explore these contingencies
and to confirm or discount earlier findings.

[jaymz]

If "crying like a girl" will always serve you better than a gun, how come Marines don't cry? And besides that, isn't "crying like a girl" a terribly sexist remark?

[RobertMW]

Biggest failure of NVCS. You only get to fill one of those out after you become a victim. Most DGU's will never see one of these surveys, so they will go unreported. So they basically cherry pick the bad cases and ignore the good. What good statistical findings, I mean, it took me a whole three sentences to point out the failure.

[Spanky8601]

In 35 years of Law Enforcement work I relied on my firearm for protection, at least once a week. The miscreants knew and understood the potential damage that could be done to them.

[stix213]

What's wrong with hiding and calling the police while holding your firearm?

[DDM4556]

Guys, the professor is right. I don't need my guns. Anyone want 'em?

I just need a good pair of running shoes...