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I think I stepped square onto a mall ninja on another forum. (non gun related).
I'm gonna do a quick copy and paste, could you fine folks read through and let me know if my gut is right? I'll edit out the names and simply put in "Ninja" "Me" or "some other guy". This is a off topic thread about a guy who lit up an intruder......
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Originally Posted by "Ninja" View Post
4 or 5 gunshots? Homeowner either needs a bigger gun or learn to shoot. In some states more than two rounds constitutes murder. In all states it should take just two shots to the chest cavity to stop the threat. And no less than a S&W 40 will do.
"Me"
Spoken like a true operator, and nothing less than a Glock, too. Right?
When did they up the minimum caliber? The point is that you shoot and train with what is comfortable. My wife will put more rounds on target faster than most .40 fanboys. She is also trained and practices regularly. Don't spread fud. It doesn't help anybody.
Also remember that you shoot to stop a threat to your life or the life of another. You do not shoot to kill. You do not shoot someone stealing your yard gnome.
"Ninja"
I don't recommend or sway anyone on what brand of weapon to choose. But I do teach handgun safety(and long gun), CC, and the after affects and legal ramifications after a shooting has occurred. And all calibers are fine. I personally carry a .45 1911.
Just brandishing a weapon is felony in 37 states. And I'm pretty sure no one here wants to take another person's life except in extreme situations. Especially stealing a yard gnome.
Shooting a 9mm(or any other caliber) at a stationary paper target is great practice for gun safety, control and MOAs but in a life threatening situation is your wife ready to pull that trigger at a moving, living target?
99.9% of the population(sans active military personnel in wartime) can't answer that question.
Sadly, firearms are made for one purpose.
And a dog is better home protection due to their early warning detection.
"Me"
Wanting to take a life and being prepared to take a life are two entirely seperate things.
I'll be honest, I have reservations about your comments. The first post about .40 S&W and now your "any caliber is fine" comment give me pause to think. Adding in that you don't make recommendations or try to sway anyone. It's pretty mall ninja especially from a qualified instructor.
Please don't assume my wife's training is limited to cute holes in a paper zombie. It would be your last mistake.
And yes, dogs are excellent for home defense. They are only one part of our home security, though.
"sadly, firearms are made for one purpose" Interesting comment. I usually only hear that when someone has an agenda.
"Ninja"
I have no agenda. Except safety. And somehow I don't think your wife is ready to draw on anybody that readily but I also wouldn't make the mistake that she couldn't. In a class of twenty I ask them could you take someone's life? Hands don't get raised. I have seen a few mishaps and just try to abide by what the law states. I can't comment on some things because I am not an attorney, every situation is different, and I am bound contractual agreements on making recommendations(which I violated when I suggested S&W40). When I started training it was very mechanical and as time has passed handgun training has adopted the legal before and after aspects of one taking another's life. Lots of students come to class because they have been recently traumatized or have watched too many movies. We try to teach them the legal aspects first and the mechanicals 2nd. And whether or not they are mentally capable of owning a firearm. We make them think of their actions.
The first thing anybody should do before drawing their firearm in the ready position is issue three warnings to a pursuer.
Being in California many people complain of their rights to bare arms are being stripped away slowly. But there are still over a 1000 weapons available to purchase. Its what happens what you do with it that gets complicated. And those with gung ho attitudes are dismissed from class.
"Some Other Guy"
Wow. Just...wow. And you're a firearms instructor? How many training scenarios have you run where the victim has time to issue these warnings? Were they even remotely based on real life?
Two words for you: Tueller Drill.
You can rattle off all the legalese you want, but this sort of blanket statement about firearms self-defense is asinine in the extreme. If you know anything about violent encounters, you'll know that each one is different, and each one is dynamic. Spouting this sort of ridiculous, by-the-numbers advice like it's some sort of bible verse is what gets good people killed.
Also, your comments about "teaching them legal aspects first, and mechanicals second" and deciding "whether they are mentally capable of owning a firearm" are disturbing for reasons I should not have to explain.
"Ninja to SOG"
I understand where you are coming from. Most of the stuff I have explained is for the conceal carry permits. Not defending your home.
I also teach what I am told to teach. Not what I would teach. Teaching is not my first job. I teach what the school's curriculum tells me too.
Good people are killed because they are attacked by cowards unknowingly.
I don't look at the responses I get here as attacks on me. Everyone is free to believe what they want. Trust me. When I see the schools curriculum I have the same feelings you do.
After the four day course you are put through live fire 4 different gauntlets that simulate 4 different scenarios.
If you slip past the background check before class we can tell who shouldn't handle a handgun. And if YOU saw the same person you would say the same thing.
Tueller Drill. I'm also certified in Empty Hand Defense and Edged Weapons instruction. It's not for everyone.
Sensitive subject. 2nd amendment should be the 1st amendment part B.
Do you want the rest? I call him on it....
I think I stepped square onto a mall ninja on another forum. (non gun related).
I'm gonna do a quick copy and paste, could you fine folks read through and let me know if my gut is right? I'll edit out the names and simply put in "Ninja" "Me" or "some other guy". This is a off topic thread about a guy who lit up an intruder......
Quote:
Originally Posted by "Ninja" View Post
4 or 5 gunshots? Homeowner either needs a bigger gun or learn to shoot. In some states more than two rounds constitutes murder. In all states it should take just two shots to the chest cavity to stop the threat. And no less than a S&W 40 will do.
"Me"
Spoken like a true operator, and nothing less than a Glock, too. Right?
When did they up the minimum caliber? The point is that you shoot and train with what is comfortable. My wife will put more rounds on target faster than most .40 fanboys. She is also trained and practices regularly. Don't spread fud. It doesn't help anybody.
Also remember that you shoot to stop a threat to your life or the life of another. You do not shoot to kill. You do not shoot someone stealing your yard gnome.
"Ninja"
I don't recommend or sway anyone on what brand of weapon to choose. But I do teach handgun safety(and long gun), CC, and the after affects and legal ramifications after a shooting has occurred. And all calibers are fine. I personally carry a .45 1911.
Just brandishing a weapon is felony in 37 states. And I'm pretty sure no one here wants to take another person's life except in extreme situations. Especially stealing a yard gnome.
Shooting a 9mm(or any other caliber) at a stationary paper target is great practice for gun safety, control and MOAs but in a life threatening situation is your wife ready to pull that trigger at a moving, living target?
99.9% of the population(sans active military personnel in wartime) can't answer that question.
Sadly, firearms are made for one purpose.
And a dog is better home protection due to their early warning detection.
"Me"
Wanting to take a life and being prepared to take a life are two entirely seperate things.
I'll be honest, I have reservations about your comments. The first post about .40 S&W and now your "any caliber is fine" comment give me pause to think. Adding in that you don't make recommendations or try to sway anyone. It's pretty mall ninja especially from a qualified instructor.
Please don't assume my wife's training is limited to cute holes in a paper zombie. It would be your last mistake.
And yes, dogs are excellent for home defense. They are only one part of our home security, though.
"sadly, firearms are made for one purpose" Interesting comment. I usually only hear that when someone has an agenda.
"Ninja"
I have no agenda. Except safety. And somehow I don't think your wife is ready to draw on anybody that readily but I also wouldn't make the mistake that she couldn't. In a class of twenty I ask them could you take someone's life? Hands don't get raised. I have seen a few mishaps and just try to abide by what the law states. I can't comment on some things because I am not an attorney, every situation is different, and I am bound contractual agreements on making recommendations(which I violated when I suggested S&W40). When I started training it was very mechanical and as time has passed handgun training has adopted the legal before and after aspects of one taking another's life. Lots of students come to class because they have been recently traumatized or have watched too many movies. We try to teach them the legal aspects first and the mechanicals 2nd. And whether or not they are mentally capable of owning a firearm. We make them think of their actions.
The first thing anybody should do before drawing their firearm in the ready position is issue three warnings to a pursuer.
Being in California many people complain of their rights to bare arms are being stripped away slowly. But there are still over a 1000 weapons available to purchase. Its what happens what you do with it that gets complicated. And those with gung ho attitudes are dismissed from class.
"Some Other Guy"
Wow. Just...wow. And you're a firearms instructor? How many training scenarios have you run where the victim has time to issue these warnings? Were they even remotely based on real life?
Two words for you: Tueller Drill.
You can rattle off all the legalese you want, but this sort of blanket statement about firearms self-defense is asinine in the extreme. If you know anything about violent encounters, you'll know that each one is different, and each one is dynamic. Spouting this sort of ridiculous, by-the-numbers advice like it's some sort of bible verse is what gets good people killed.
Also, your comments about "teaching them legal aspects first, and mechanicals second" and deciding "whether they are mentally capable of owning a firearm" are disturbing for reasons I should not have to explain.
"Ninja to SOG"
I understand where you are coming from. Most of the stuff I have explained is for the conceal carry permits. Not defending your home.
I also teach what I am told to teach. Not what I would teach. Teaching is not my first job. I teach what the school's curriculum tells me too.
Good people are killed because they are attacked by cowards unknowingly.
I don't look at the responses I get here as attacks on me. Everyone is free to believe what they want. Trust me. When I see the schools curriculum I have the same feelings you do.
After the four day course you are put through live fire 4 different gauntlets that simulate 4 different scenarios.
If you slip past the background check before class we can tell who shouldn't handle a handgun. And if YOU saw the same person you would say the same thing.
Tueller Drill. I'm also certified in Empty Hand Defense and Edged Weapons instruction. It's not for everyone.
Sensitive subject. 2nd amendment should be the 1st amendment part B.
Do you want the rest? I call him on it....
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