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  • advocatusdiaboli
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2009
    • 5521

    How Free States do it: How Texas Got Back Open Carry

    There are perhaps lessons here that might apply in the intractable anti-gun California fight, even if victories will be rare in spite of it. The difference is that in Texas, the culture was for gun rights while here it is against them. Open carriers were cheered for open carry protests in Texas while in California, SWAT would be called in.

    The key lesson in the end is that the state culture and local culture have to support the right for it to be taken back. Just take each example and ask if it would have had the result it achieved in Texas if done here in California. Almost to a one, I found it wouldn't have. For instance can you imagine both the Democrat and Republican candidates both endorsing open cary as part of their platform in California.

    In the end, I have come to believe that the only way a right will be preserved is because the people around you want it to be preserved, not by the judiciary, the legislature, the executive branches, or by a government agency. We The People in the state have to want it and then it will be so. otherwise, it's gone sooner or later.

    Open carry activists didn’t win in Texas because of public opinion, at least not on the superficial and transitory image of public opinion that’s usually measured. It was won because the activists developed means and methods to communicate around the elite establishment, grew their own organizations and vision, and exerted raw political power to bend the government to their will. Of course, they had several advantages . . .


    The facts were on their side. The Constitution is on their side. And the culture is on their side. Arrayed against them were big government elites, big media, and big educrats from the university system. They weren’t asking for much, just to right an injustice perpetrated a 160 years ago. To reclaim something that was their birthright. It cost no money and it was at no risk to the population.

    It wasn’t done by politely asking politicians if they would “pretty please” restore their rights. I am not saying that proper manners aren’t effective. Used properly, they’re an effective tool. Activists in the political arena quickly learn to threaten political defeat very politely. That’s what has happened with the open carry activists.
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    Last edited by advocatusdiaboli; 06-17-2015, 12:33 PM.
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    timmeh95
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 58

    and then you have this...



    I was hoping one of them would throw her phone on the ground, but that wouldn't really be helping the situation. She showed all on her own who the real dumbass is.

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    • #3
      Devilmonkey89
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2013
      • 1539

      Originally posted by timmeh95
      and then you have this...



      I was hoping one of them would throw her phone on the ground, but that wouldn't really be helping the situation. She showed all on her own who the real dumbass is.
      Youtube linky no worky.
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        timmeh95
        Junior Member
        • Feb 2015
        • 58

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          advocatusdiaboli
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2009
          • 5521

          "Um, there's children here and you're a dumbass". LOL.
          For The Children!

          Yeah, because we shouldn't teach our children to understand firearms and respect them ,we should keep them in the dark so they fear them and couldn't use one if their life depended on it.
          Plus we should teach them that all people with guns intend to harm them. Like police...oh wait.
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            timmeh95
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2015
            • 58

            i don't think there is anything against shoving your phone in a stranger's face for a close up picture, but imo there probably should be. You can take pictures of people out in public since public is fair game, but respect their personal space. I can take pictures of people just well enough with my zoom on my camera, no need to put it in their faces and be an asshat.

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            • #7
              Packer
              Banned
              • Feb 2015
              • 101

              well anyway, the people of California do not want open carry, so move to Texas I guess. Theres no lesson in Texas for getting open carry in Ca. no special technique or organizing principle. People here don't want it. Simple. So whats to do? A hearts and Minds campaign?

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                kaligaran
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 4800

                Originally posted by timmeh95
                and then you have this...



                I was hoping one of them would throw her phone on the ground, but that wouldn't really be helping the situation. She showed all on her own who the real dumbass is.
                Man that video is just infuriating. What an idiot.
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                  advocatusdiaboli
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 5521

                  Originally posted by Packer
                  well anyway, the people of California do not want open carry, so move to Texas I guess. Theres no lesson in Texas for getting open carry in Ca. no special technique or organizing principle. People here don't want it. Simple. So whats to do? A hearts and Minds campaign?
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                    Corsair415
                    Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 451

                    Originally posted by timmeh95
                    and then you have this...



                    I was hoping one of them would throw her phone on the ground, but that wouldn't really be helping the situation. She showed all on her own who the real dumbass is.
                    What's really sad is that they're people on this forum that would agree with her.

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                    • #11
                      advocatusdiaboli
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 5521

                      Originally posted by Corsair415
                      What's really sad is that they're people on this forum that would agree with her.
                      And that is why RKBA is moribund in California. We The People here don't care about it. Not us on Calguns, the majority out there who are not and never will be.
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                      • #12
                        Twiki357
                        Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 293

                        The Texas open carry is only a small step in the right direction. It allows open carry ONLY by those who have a concealed carry permit. The main benefit is that Texans with a CCW won’t be subject to harassment if their concealed gun is accidently exposed. It doesn’t GIVE any rights to anyone who hasn’t already received the governments blessing.

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                        • #13
                          Sleighter
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 3624

                          I found her elbows to be sufficiently non-pointy, despite our political differences.
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                          • #14
                            advocatusdiaboli
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 5521

                            Two points are all that should matter to Californian gun owners:
                            1. It isn't perfect but it is a good start and a lot better than here as a CHL is much easier to get in TX.
                            2. Texas unlike CA is moving towards more freedom not away for it like CA. Local can no longer override state gun laws unlike here for instance.
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                            • #15
                              teg33
                              Veteran Member
                              • May 2013
                              • 3441

                              Unlike Texas, we neglect to nurture gun culture amongst our children, so majority of the new generation, millennia/x generation etc are afraid of guns and see guns are evil. We let our children/grandchildren to be brainwashed by anti gun crowds. So we reap what we sow

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