FRUSTRATION!

[groovielou]

Well, I had a hunch, but I figured that intelligence would prevail. Guess not.

Couple of weeks ago, I went to the good people over at Henderson Defense. I bought one of their awesome certified WASR's. I was damn lucky to get my hands on it.

Anyway, I have been working with this Pawn Shop FFL dealer for two guns now. They seem to be highly intelligent people. I had no worries that they would know the law. I had Henderson ship the rifle. Called today and it arrived. I was asked, "is this rifle legal". To which I replied, yes, it has a raddlock installed therefore the <10 rd. magazine is not removable without a tool. They disagreed and said it was a AW.

I went on to say, Henderson Defense ships hundreds of these rifles to California. I asked politely, can you contact the DOJ and confirm the legality of the weapon. The FFL "dealer" told me that the DOJ was in the shop "as a matter of fact today" and he inspected the rifle and said it was an AW.

I asked for the Agents info so I could call him and find out why he feels it was an AW, then to advise the agent of the LAW that makes it a totally California legal rifle. The dealer replied with, I don't know his name.

Finally, he laid down the law, he refuses to DROS the weapon and he is sending it back. I guess I feel somewhat responsible for their ignorance of the law and asked if I could pay for the shipping back. (kinda stupid on my part hugh?) He told me he would be happy if I did.

What say you? My fault? Lesson Learned? Should I walk into the pawn shop tomorrow, pay for the return ship? Bring them a copy of the flowchart? Tell them please ship my rifle carefully and go F&$k them selfs?

Did I mention I even called the FFL Dealer the minute I bought it (from Henderson) and gave them the model and modifications? They said "no problem!"

Lou

[ke6guj]

Did you talk to them beforehand and confirm that they were OLL-friendly?

Just giving them a model/specification may not have been enough for them to realize that they were dealling with a evil AK.


That there was a DOJ agent being in the shop that very day sounds a little far-fetched. If it was an AW, why didn't he confiscate it?

[groovielou]

Hey Jack,

Thanks for replying..

I'm sort of a noob, I never asked if he was "OLL-friendly". I just figured he would know the law. If he did would it matter? Are there two types of FFL dealers? Again, I am quite new to all of this and just figured the law would speak for itself.

psst. between you and me, I don't think there was a DOJ agent there. He was saying that to discourage me.

Lou

[Greg-Dawg]

...Anyway, I have been working with this Pawn Shop FFL dealer for two guns now. They seem to be highly intelligent people...Lou

Would this Pawn Shop be located in Santa Monica?

Pawn Shop + Gun Laws = Failure.

I've learn to deal directly with gun shops, not pawns. Looks like the gun will be stuck in limbo. Happened to me, thankfully "I know a guy".

[groovielou]

Lesson learned hugh?



Lou

[CHS]

*NEVER* assume that a gun shop will just automatically know the laws, or the strange intricacies that allow us to legally have OLL's.

*ALWAYS* tell them EXACTLY what they will be receiving and make sure AHEAD OF TIME that they won't have a problem with it.

Come on man, this should be relatively common sense.

[groovielou]

*NEVER* assume that a gun shop will just automatically know the laws, or the strange intricacies that allow us to legally have OLL's.

*ALWAYS* tell them EXACTLY what they will be receiving and make sure AHEAD OF TIME that they won't have a problem with it.

Come on man, this should be relatively common sense.

Think about that statement for a second... As a business owner myself, I know almost all the laws surrounding my business, and the ones I don't know, before I reject a customer and loose money, and the chance for repeat business, Ill take the time to check into it. Is it not their JOB to know them? In fact, don't they take some sort of test to certify their knowledge of the law to obtain an FFL?

If I was going to sell guns, I would want to know everything about them, the legality of them, my liabilities etc.

Moreover, I did tell them it was a Century Arm's WASR with a Raddlock installed by the dealer. Should I have sent them a picture?

Lou

[Moonclip]

Come on man, this should be relatively common sense.

It should be but some here have attempted to DROS or even have DROSed OLL stuff at Turners before too...

There was even a thread that got complicated that was about Turners and LE getting involved because someone bought a SVT 40 at Turners and was told later it was an assault weapon

[devildog999]

Guy in the shop is lying about ATF IMHO. I would think that the ATF agent would have taken it, as that is their job. Take the flowchart to the shop, if he doesn't want to DROS it then, then screw em. Don't pay for sh**!! Make them pay for it if they don't want to go buy the law. Also bring a copy of the exact law and maybe you can teach them.

[USN CHIEF]

The OP failed big time. Can't believe you paid for the shipping of the rifle back to DD. Screw the shop for their ignorance.

[groovielou]

Great responses folks, thanks! Yea, I guess I'm an idiot for wanting to pay for the ship back, but I don't want bad blood with anyone. I just feel compelled to do whats right. Or what I think its right. Even tho it may not be in my best interest.

Lou

[ke6guj]

Hey Jack,

Thanks for replying..

I'm sort of a noob, I never asked if he was "OLL-friendly". I just figured he would know the law. If he did would it matter? Are there two types of FFL dealers? Again, I am quite new to all of this and just figured the law would speak for itself.

Many shops are afraid of the FUD that CADOJ offers and are afraid of OLLs, beleiving them to be AWs.

psst. between you and me, I don't think there was a DOJ agent there. He was saying that to discourage me.

Of course there wasn't. IT was just an easy lie so he didn't have to do the transfer.

Think about that statement for a second... As a business owner myself, I know almost all the laws surrounding my business, and the ones I don't know, before I reject a customer and loose money, and the chance for repeat business, Ill take the time to check into it. Is it not their JOB to know them? In fact, don't they take some sort of test to certify their knowledge of the law to obtain an FFL?

Nope, no upfront test required. However, you are tested over time during audits. Fail an audit and suffer the consequences.

If I was going to sell guns, I would want to know everything about them, the legality of them, my liabilities etc.

And that would make you a smart businessman, but being smart is not a requirement to sell anything.

Moreover, I did tell them it was a Century Arm's WASR with a Raddlock installed by the dealer. Should I have sent them a picture?

And a dealer that does not deal with AK-pattern rifles would have no clue what a WASR or a Raddlock was. I bet he said something like "as long as its legal, its ok" or something like that when you talked on the phone. And in this case a photo or a link would have been a good idea, since he would have bailed out on you at the beginning when you could have had Henderson ship it to a different dealer.

[rg_1111@yahoo.com]

No don't pay the pawn shop to ship it back. The pawn shop should know the CaDOJ laws. It's his FFL he should know the law.
If the rifle was legal. I also call B.S. on a DOJ agent in the shop. One he would know the agents name. Two if the rifle was Illegal that agent would have busted the FFL holder or at least take the rifle.
Either way I think the pawn shop lied to you.

[Salty]

*NEVER* assume that a gun shop will just automatically know the laws, or the strange intricacies that allow us to legally have OLL's.

*ALWAYS* tell them EXACTLY what they will be receiving and make sure AHEAD OF TIME that they won't have a problem with it.

Come on man, this should be relatively common sense.

Not really, it's common sense to assume that most of the folks running gun shops would know what's legal and what's not.

However, common sense fails on this one.

[mvpatriot]

Lesson here is: only do your OLL type transfers @ BRIGHT SPOT PAWN SHOP
especially if you are in Chino bro!
Trust me, they set the bar for transfers in soCal.
Great prices for transfers and awesome customer service!