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  • djbooya
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2008
    • 816

    CA FFL selling unregistered AW for a CA customer

    Is this legal?



    The reason I ask is that I brought up a similar thread recently in regards to someone I know that still owns a Mak-90 and the general consensus was that it had to be destroyed or surrendered. How is the FFL in the above thread (which incidentally is the same guy that doesn't care what calguns.net says) able to sell the AW on behalf of another individual. It was my understanding that the current "owner" is dead and that the man who found it is not legally able to sell it. For the legal folks or other FFLs any ideas on how that dealer is doing what he is doing legally? I would assume even if he as an AW permit that the seller can't legally sell it to him or offer for consignment, no?
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  • #2
    OCArmory
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 1321

    If the FFL is an assault weapons dealer and the son is the executor of the estate the can take it to him to be sold. I think there is a grace period for this but I am not sure how long. Maybe someone with more info will chime in soon

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    • #3
      PRODRIVE
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2007
      • 1562

      FFL is selling out of CA.....
      i am sure this is legal sale

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      • #4
        ke6guj
        Moderator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Nov 2003
        • 23725

        12280(i) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to a person who is the executor or administrator of an estate that includes an assault weapon or a .50 BMG rifle registered under Section 12285 or that was possessed pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision (f) which is disposed of as authorized by the probate court, if the disposition is otherwise permitted by this chapter.
        (j) Subdivisions (b) and (c) shall not apply to a person who is the executor or administrator of an estate that includes an assault weapon or a .50 BMG rifle registered under Section 12285 or that was possessed pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision (f), if the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is possessed at a place set forth in paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 12285 or as authorized by the probate court.
        There's this in the code, that should cover the son temporarily taking legal possession of the AW long enough to transfer it to the AW dealer for sale.

        There might be something in there I'm missing, need to read into it a little more.

        edit: here's a little more:
        Originally posted by CADOJ FAQ
        Can I inherit and keep a registered assault weapon?

        No. Pursuant to California Penal Code section 12285(b), any person who obtains title to a registered assault weapon by bequest or intestate succession shall, within 90 days, render the weapon permanently inoperable, sell the weapon to a licensed gun dealer who has a permit from the Department of Justice to purchase assault weapons, obtain a permit from the Department of Justice to possess assault weapons, or remove the weapon from this state.
        Jack



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        No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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        • #5
          bigthaiboy
          Veteran Member
          • Apr 2007
          • 4795

          It's the same FFL seller as in an earlier thread : http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=132312
          and


          He obviously includes his home state within the "usual suspects states".
          Last edited by bigthaiboy; 11-16-2008, 9:48 PM.

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          • #6
            hybridatsun350
            Calguns Addict
            • Apr 2007
            • 5336

            I'd just cut the receiver according to BATFE specs, and build an OLL with my complete parts kit!
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            • #7
              shooterdave
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2007
              • 776

              it's offlist why would you do that. if it's registerd can't you deregister it?

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              • #8
                Max-the-Silent
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2007
                • 786

                He's courting disaster if he isn't a Ca. AW licensed dealer.

                Didn't Iggy raid Frank Tabor for selling AW's out of state w/o an AW dealer license?

                There are very few good legal options for someone in possession of a listed rifle, or a rifle that is featured qualified, that isn't registered.

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                • #9
                  69Mach1
                  Super Moderator
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 15032

                  He's also selling a Bushmaster lower. I hope he is an AW dealer, but I don't think so. The SAR 1 is not a named AW. Only an AW by feature- pistol grip. I hope it was really registered as an AW by his father.
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                  • #10
                    gazzavc
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 988

                    Why not just make it dissapear. Might have to find it again someday ?

                    Once someone is dead, just plead ignorance to the whole thing. Sorry I don't know what happened to it? Maybe my dad sold it ??

                    I feel sorry for the poor bloke.

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                    • #11
                      shooterdave
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 776

                      that's true it could be registered i don't know why he dosen't just take off the pistol grip. ignorance i guess. the dealer is courting trouble though.

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                      • #12
                        GM4spd
                        Calguns Addict
                        • May 2008
                        • 5682

                        Originally posted by PRODRIVE
                        FFL is selling out of CA.....
                        i am sure this is legal sale

                        You've got it right. Pete

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