Gun Deaths

[geoint]

So my Health Science class has been talking about issues that effect public health and somehow gun violence is important enough to have multiple slides in this libtards powerpoint. She declares that most gun deaths are not related to serial killers (true) but are caused by males coming home drunk and randomly murdering their loved ones (obviously false). I debated with her for a few minutes and it was starting to derail the class and she asked me to talk to her after. So after class, I spoke with her and she asked me how do I know where most gun deaths occur. I said, I don't know where they occur (and mentioned that neither does she), but that I can try to find some statistics to show her that most, or at least a very large part of the gun deaths in this country are gang related.

So I have been googling all morning trying to find information. So far this is what Ive come up with:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

The FBI hasn't released official numbers for 2014 yet so Im using 2013 to focus on. In 2013 there were 8,454 firearms related deaths.

I have been searching for "city breakdown of firearm deaths 2013" (and similar phrases of course) and I get very little useful information. Almost all of the results that I find are just liberal hit pieces about US gun death rates and state by state breakdowns of gundeaths. I dont need or care about state breakdowns right now, I want cities as that is how I can show the impact of gang violence as opposed to random or spontaneous domestic violence.

Anybody have a suggestion on how to find information I can use?


And PS: this professor is obviously somewhat liberal but shes not a flaming communist or I would have bitten my tongue and allowed her to continue her propaganda rather than waste my time and jeopardize my grade. I honestly believe shes open minded enough for this to be worth the effort.

[onelonehorseman]

Some data here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

[Rosebud22]

I can not find the link right now, but it breaks down the data by race, sex, age group and a whole lot more. I think it might be by the CDC. I know I have seen it. Try this link also:

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/Pages/welcome.aspx

The stat I have been looking for is gun deaths or gun violence broken down
by guns aquired legally and guns aquiried ill-legally. I assume this data is not collected and should be. Puts a whole new light on the gun control issue
if Criminals no fear of current guns laws, why would new ones make any difference??

[hermosabeach]

Gun deaths are like cancer to liberals. There are only bad gun deaths

The woman who shoots here ex after he violates the restraining paper, is still cancer. More cause to ban guns.

The problem with stats is how one interprets the stats.

Good luck with the project.

[Sleighter]

Gun Deaths

This has a lot of good data that is easy to sort:

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-crime/

Another one with some stats.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/15/opinion/frum-guns-race/

This is the primary source for a lot of the articles. Raw data: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?iid=4616&ty=pbdetail

[gogohopper]

LOL

The Rate of deaths per 100,000 people: for blacks averages 10 to 15 TIMES that of whites.

Racism, what else could it be.
(Unless you consider the fact that it's hughly black on black crime creating)those numbers.........
umm ok
It must be the frustration of Whitey keeping them down, yea, that's it.

BAck on topic:

Have her watch this. Should ring true if she is somewhat open minded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

[The Last American Hero]

I always wonder how many murders go totally unnoticed by LE and stats.

I hear 1/3 of murders go unsolved (and many of those that do get solved were solved before they happened). What is the % that never make it into the books?

Atlanta PD stopped calling murder "murder" in order to improve the city's image to get the Olympics.

When Guido doesn't come back from a trip to the Pine Barrens with the boys, is it still a murder?

It ain't like the IRS is gonna come looking, because he never filed any taxes and no one ever reported any earnings for him.

And that is for American born US citizens with regular (honest to Obama) US birth certs and a few Catholic church baptism and confirmation records, no less, and at least a few arrest records. Imagine what goes on in our vast Illegal Alien (and not just Hispanics...Orientals, Muslims, Hindus, Eastern Euros).

While not gun related, this case was ONLY discovered when a middle-aged hippie woman DEMANDED (and nearly got arrested herself...lol) that police, fire or SOMEBODY look into what was obviously human bodies rolled up in carpet being hauled out by shady men.http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...nt-3071450.php

Seems like the obvious thing to do would be drag/dredge the spot where he dumped her for other victims. IIRC it was dredged a few months later, and quietly dumped out at sea without examination as routine harbor dredging. It was ONLY because the "passing motorist" was a Belgian tourist who again DEMANDED police involvement did anything happen. http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/S...te-3015741.php

Our Israeli allies have been importing about 10,000 sex slaves a year for decades, yet there is no sign of any of the early ones in Israel or anywhere else. They are imported from Russia and Eastern Europe, because they would never do that to Americans.

While it makes some sense that you can't have the cops find people you aren't related to with a Missing Persons Report, and report back to you where they are without their permission, IMO there should be some provision for friends, employers, and even things like Insurance or Credit Card companies to file an 'interested party' report with LE, and when LE finds you that just say "these guys are wondering where you are", and if LE can't find someone maybe start suspecting foul play.

[Mitch]

The source, CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

[RedFord150]

I always wonder how many murders go totally unnoticed by LE and stats.....

^^^Excellent point.

When you read up on serial killers, they often prey on prostitutes and drug addicts. These are people who do not get missed and who do not get reported to PD. They just disappear. How many bodies get buried or dumped in a body of water or landfills and are never found? 'Mother Nature' has been eliminating all kinds of carcasses for millions of years. No way we find all of them.

I think the same is true of Self defense 'Brandishing'. I believe lots of criminals are deterred at the sight of a gun, no shots fired. The intended victims could be in illegal possession of a gun or have some other issues with the law and never contact the PD. Even if they do contact the PD, do they readily admit to pulling a gun or even having a gun? Maybe that detail gets omitted. Even if they do report, what statistics are kept on law abiding people who scare off an intruder with a gun and never fire a shot, much less kill someone. I think that brandishing happens way more than shooting. If no shots are fired, good for the victim. The gun worked and nobody is Dead.

The antis focus only on serious injury or death too cite the number of self-defense uses for guns. I think the incidents without shots fired are a much bigger number. Too bad this number cannot be supported.

[mshill]

The source, CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

^^^^^ this starting with tables 12, 13, 14, and 15 have the information you are looking for.

[Off the Roster]

I always wonder how many murders go totally unnoticed by LE and stats.

Don't forget those BY LEO as those numbers are jumping. Also, several states are currently researching restoring the firing line for death penalty executions since they can no longer obtain the euthanasia drugs and the replacements tested have been deemed "inhumane". The death certificates of those put to death by the justice system cite homicide as COD.

[MrPlink]

You need to make sure your stats don't include suicides, which is s typical anti trick.

The flip side is when pro gun folk use stats they typically only include homicide stats and ignore violent crime w firearms that did not result in death etc etc

[rkt88edmo]

The main portal is here:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/deaths.htm

The data reports are here:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/mortality_public_use_data.htm

2013 data is the most recently released, here:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

[Mitch]

You need to make sure your stats don't include suicides, which is s typical anti trick.

Suicides account for about half of firearms related deaths in the US. You can't ignore them, it makes you look foolish.

[The Last American Hero]

On a side note on suicide, I question the idea that a high suicide rate is a bad thing.

Japan is the world leader in suicide (which really means something because no one is Japan is committing suicide because they are starving to death or can't get basic medical, etc).

And Japan is pretty much the best nation with large population by most empirical measures. (low crime, education, income, health, Govt, etc and even these days "World Citizenship").

To me their high suicide indicates they take personal responsibility very seriously, and that why they are such a good culture.

Norway gets rated as "best nation to live in" and was highly rated even before North Sea oil. (but has small population) So good in fact the Nazis even considered them the next step up from Germans.

What do Japan and Norway have in common that makes them odd balls among the world's nations? Whale meat!


Yeah, I've personally heard of a couple cases where some well known local horse's arse went crying to the cops after being run off by someone brandishing a gun, where the other party denied everything and no gun was ever located. Definitely the Smart Move not to admit to anything, or even talk to police after storing the gun in an "undisclosed secure location".