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  • thorium
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 970

    Fortune article: "smart guns they're ready are we?"

    The technology is available to limit the number of children who perish in gun accidents. That was the easy part.
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    dustoff31
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2007
    • 8209

    Oh yes, I'm quite ready. Ready to reject them.
    "Did I say "republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive." - Westbrook Pegler

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    • #3
      onelonehorseman
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 4888

      Interesting article. And though I had never read all the "long version" details of the smart gun idea development, I see nothing really new here. As pointed out in the article, I don't expect manufacturers to embrace the idea of dedicating massive R&D budgets to this idea anytime soon. And few, on the end user side, seem to be interesting in buying it.
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      • #4
        ThePatriot
        Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 278

        Where do these idiot journalists come from? That guy ran on and on to make an argument that he could have accomplished in a paragraph - "Smart guns great, NRA bad because they want to kill babies". He must get paid by the word for that garbage.

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        • #5
          XDJYo
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2012
          • 6662

          I can't imagine the impracticality of this. Even for a fun day at the range, the wife and I (who don't have a lot of guns), will take 3-4 guns to the range. We would be swapping watches back and forth etc as we each fire our guns. Having a gun switch off since I walked off to the restroom while still wearing the watch my wife is shooting.

          What would happen in a home defense/self defense situation? Get the gun out of the safe. Put on watch. Wait...Get the OTHER watch. Punch in code. Punch in code again. Hmmm...Restarting windows...Punch in code. Wait for watch to sync with gun. Ready to fire.

          I read the whole article and it seemed to be fairly logical. Logic that appeals to those who don't shoot. People who wouldn't bet their life on their pistol. There are so many flaws to this technology. I would hate to be the cop that is using one of these at the end of their 8 hour shift and the gun switches off.

          In any case, I feel for those who have lost loved ones senselessly. I really do. But, this is going about it the wrong way. Unfortunately, many times, the gun owner is to blame. (I'll get flamed for this I know). But, leaving a gun where the kid has access to it? Trigger not properly covered? So, I can see the anti-gunners point of view. Senseless loss of life. But, legislation is not the way. We can't prevent 100% of the problems 100% of the time.

          We teach the 4 rules of handgun safety for a reason.

          Happy shooting and be safe.
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            Kairo
            Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 104

            Can the electrical system withstand a recoil of a 44 mag? I doubt it.... only 22lr.... we got a serious reliability problem then.... those people....

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            • #7
              glockman19
              Banned
              • Jun 2007
              • 10486

              There needs to be a market for ANY product. There is NO market for this handgun. It will NEVER gain enough users to justify manufacture.

              I'm curious if any have ever been sold. My guess is less than 50 to law enforcement, fewer than 25 to consumers and zero to the military, unless they are evaluating them.

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              • #8
                JDay
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Nov 2008
                • 19393

                If they're so great let the police and military adopt them for 10 years first.
                Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                • #9
                  RobertMW
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2013
                  • 2117

                  Since when is a journalist qualified to make the statement, "Smart guns, they're ready..."

                  Just about every engineer on the planet (me included) would look at this system, and say, "It fails user requirements, time to redesign."
                  Originally posted by kcbrown
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                  • #10
                    Untamed1972
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 17579

                    Originally posted by glockman19
                    There needs to be a market for ANY product. There is NO market for this handgun. It will NEVER gain enough users to justify manufacture.

                    I'm curious if any have ever been sold. My guess is less than 50 to law enforcement, fewer than 25 to consumers and zero to the military, unless they are evaluating them.
                    But look what happened with micro-stamping in CA.......how long before you think some jackhole up in Sacto decides this should be the next mandate to be foisted upon CA gunowners?
                    "Freedom begins with an act of defiance"

                    Quote for the day:
                    "..the mind is the weapon and the hand only its extention. Discipline your mind!" Master Hao, Chenrezi monastery, Valley of the Sun

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                    • #11
                      Bainter1212
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 5936

                      I fix appliances for a living. You know that fridge or washer you had back in the day that "ran forever"? Yeah.....IT HAD NO ELECTRONICS! I swear....I spend half my time dealing with faulty electronic components.

                      I won't own a gun with electronics on it.

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                      • #12
                        robcoe
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 8685

                        Originally posted by RobertMW
                        Since when is a journalist qualified to make the statement, "Smart guns, they're ready..."

                        Just about every engineer on the planet (me included) would look at this system, and say, "It fails user requirements, time to redesign."
                        I design military electronics for a living. And you are right.

                        The stuff that can take the stresses of firing a gun are simple(so fingerprint recognition out) bulky and expensive.

                        To get a gun as reliable as a 1911 firing the same round to work with what they are talking about it would be he size of a Kriss vector and cost over 5 grand not to mention be heavy as hell
                        Yes, I am an electrical engineer.
                        No, I will not fix your computer.

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                        • #13
                          glockman19
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 10486

                          Originally posted by Untamed1972
                          But look what happened with micro-stamping in CA.......how long before you think some jackhole up in Sacto decides this should be the next mandate to be foisted upon CA gunowners?
                          As soon as any anti legislator can write up legislation...2 weeks...2 months...2 years? You and I know it's coming.

                          Question is how long until SCOTUS determines the type of scrutiny?

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                          • #14
                            Untamed1972
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 17579

                            Originally posted by JDay
                            If they're so great let the police and military adopt them for 10 years first.
                            Yea.....imagine that in combat. The arm with the watch on it gets blown off......and now...if I'm conscious I can't use the gun with my remaining hand to defend myself. Or I'm dead and the soldier next to me has a weapon failure and can't pick up my weapon and use it.

                            I'm sure the military will be all over that little gem.
                            "Freedom begins with an act of defiance"

                            Quote for the day:
                            "..the mind is the weapon and the hand only its extention. Discipline your mind!" Master Hao, Chenrezi monastery, Valley of the Sun

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                            • #15
                              Capybara
                              CGSSA Coordinator
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Feb 2012
                              • 15360

                              What is scary about this is NJ's law and the fact that the tyrants up in Sacramento got away with microstamping/handgun roster in this state. That does not bode well for the future of this. We should re-phrase what the writer wrote to, "Once there is a semi viable blueprint and one model can go on sale in California, the State will mandate that all handguns and eventually long guns must implement "Smart Gun" technology in order to be sold." It's for the children (and criminals). Imagine what a gangsters paradise this state would become if all law abiding citizens were only allowed "Smart Guns".
                              NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor, Shotgun Instructor and Range Safety Officer

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