Ares SCR question

[timmeh95]

20(almost)/M/209 area

So i am considering on making my first rifle purchase (technically isn't since i signed my name for a savage 110 .30-06 but I didn't use my own money on it since it was a gift from dad) and the ares scr looks like an attractive option to me.

http://www.aresdefense.com/?page_id=729

that's the page for it. Anyways aside from how to get a hold of one since there don't seem to be any dealers/distributors around here,What would you recommend doing to it upon receiving it? I would like to set it with a set of rails mainly so I can fit a set of magpul flip up irons, but maybe someone here has a better suggestion? I just want it to be reliable, fairly accurate at least to 200-300yds and not weigh a ton. I suppose up to ~10lbs would be acceptable but I like that it can go as low as 5.7lbs. Maybe down the road I may invest in a set of optics, i just want something that doesn't need batteries, easy to get a look through and maybe even both eyes open shooting. I would love a trijicon ACOG but holy hell that price. It would be worth more than the gun it would be sitting on and that just doesn't seem right to me for some reason. That no battery tritium illuminated reticle looks so nice though...

TL;DR
-I want an ares SCR preferably with the monte carlo stock for a better cheek rest
-I would like to put a set of rails on it to fit some magpul flip up irons on it
-I just want it to be reliable, be accurate to at least 200-300yds and do AR things
- Maybe eventually invest in an ACOG for it if I can be bothered to do so.
- still a bit new to AR type rifles (put together an AR-10/AR-15 with dad) and any tips/suggestions may help

also i think this is the appropriate place to ask this? If not a mod can move it where it should go i guess.

[Steve_In_29]

Nothing wrong with the SCR, though some find its lack of tacticool upsetting.

[gotshotgun?]

Magpul irons wont work on it because of the stock angle.

[Mutenri]

Magpul irons wont work on it because of the stock angle.

If you have the Monte Carlo stock apparently it's not that bad. The CZ Scorpion EVO sights work well though, apparently.

[timmeh95]

If you have the Monte Carlo stock apparently it's not that bad. The CZ Scorpion EVO sights work well though, apparently.

I read up on the scr thread and saw that, which is why i wanna get the monte carlo stock.

[essjay]

If you have the Monte Carlo stock apparently it's not that bad. The CZ Scorpion EVO sights work well though, apparently.

Was looking through the big thread at ARF yesterday, and it looks like Area has both 1913 rail and gas block sights now.

[timmeh95]

Was looking through the big thread at ARF yesterday, and it looks like Area has both 1913 rail and gas block sights now.

I'm assuming 1913 rail is the same as picatinny or am I missing something? If not I wouldn't mind if they had the A2 style gas block sight and I just had to buy a rear sight. It would be cheaper and I already like the feel of it on the AR-15 we have. I just need to figure out how to adjust up/down on it since the rear sight only has left/right on it. I was shooting just a bit high at 100yds when we tried it at the range.

[essjay]

1913 is the same as picatinny. The non-railed front sight apparently clips onto their low-profile gas block.

[timmeh95]

So is it possible then to get one with rails already on it or do I need something to put some on it? i would like to see if the magpul flip irons are possible still before considering other options. It would make it a smaller profile and less snagging on things in the case/bag i put it in with the irons folded down.

[PseudoTsuga]

Placer Tactical has them in stock. Looks like a great featureless rifle! Say goodbye to a stupid bullet button.

[GW]

I have one and think its pretty good
Stiff trigger but I didn't buy it as a match rifle, I bought it as a shooter I can stuff 30 round mags into.
And it fills that role superbly.

[Rontalvos]

So is it possible then to get one with rails already on it or do I need something to put some on it? i would like to see if the magpul flip irons are possible still before considering other options. It would make it a smaller profile and less snagging on things in the case/bag i put it in with the irons folded down.

I put magpul irons on my SCR with a Midwest Industries SSK-12 keymod handguard on the forend and they do not work unless your head is the size of a basketball. It's impossible to get a repeatable cheek weld even with the monte carlo stock. You end up touching your jaw to the stock only and it's not comfortable.

Magpul sights are twice as tall as this rifle needs. Ares said it themselves.

Ares announced irons for their rifle that fit on the stock upper and they have a front sight which will fit on a monolithic railed handguard but they said it's still about a month away.

From Ares:
Here's what the optional iron sights look like for the ARES SCR. They're billet machined aluminum with steel hardware where expected and are installed in minutes with no gunsmithing required. Rear sight is attached by a single screw and is windage adjustable. Front sight clamps arount the low profile gas block, is elevation adjustable and incorporates a front sling swivel. They sit approximately 3/4" lower than standard AR sights for proper cheek weld and will co-witness with an Aimpoint T1 or H1 micro sight on factory low mount.



And when asked about a front sight for a railed handguard they said:
We are working up a sight set for rail mounting, but they're still about a month or so out. The rear is like the set that we posted, but the front mounts to a rail and is much smaller. We'll keep everyone posted when they're ready for release. Thanks.

Ares stated that the sights are $139. Magpul sights are around $100. It's more expensive but if you buy twice you cry twice. Go with what will work for sure. Or wait for the railed version coming in a month (what I'm doing).

I'm assuming 1913 rail is the same as picatinny or am I missing something? If not I wouldn't mind if they had the A2 style gas block sight and I just had to buy a rear sight. It would be cheaper and I already like the feel of it on the AR-15 we have. I just need to figure out how to adjust up/down on it since the rear sight only has left/right on it. I was shooting just a bit high at 100yds when we tried it at the range.

A2 front sight is too high for the SCR. It's the same height as the magpul sights: too high. Buying an upper with an A2 sight will not save you money because you will get tired of it either due to its height or because you want to free float the barrel eventually. The stock low profile gas block makes it super easy to free float eventually, you just have to cut the delta ring off.

Do not adjust the rear sight for elevation, use rear for windage only. Read this article and find out why it's shooting high at 100 yards. Depending on where your zero is, it may be designed to do that.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/328143_RIBZ_____Revised_Improved_Battlesight_Zero.html

Edit: This is the big Ares SCR thread on ar15.com. Ares Defense themselves have posted in it. It's only 8 pages, I say go through it and see what other people have done to theirs and see what Ares themselves has to say about sights and stuff.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/672281_ARES_SCR_Pics.html

[timmeh95]

I like those irons on it, if it shoots as well as it looks then I will be happy with them. As for the adjustment thing, I wasn't complaining that the rear doesn't have an up/down adjustment , I just couldn't figure out at the time how to adjust the front sight's elevation since i haven't done that yet with it. The zero on the irons aside from a bit of left/right adjustment we did with it is however it came when we assembled it. I was surprised it was as close as it was at 100yds. I suggested while we were there to give it a try and see if we are even on paper and we were. Even if we missed really wide though the berm behind it would have caught it just fine given how large it was.

As for the upcoming SCR improvements What's the cost differences gonna be for the railed/non railed versions if they have announced it yet?

edit:
thanks for the thread link. I'm sure there will be more useful info in there to make a more informed purchase

[Rontalvos]

When I re-read my post I realized came across a little harsh, sorry about that.

I'm sorry I implied you maybe didn't know what you were doing with regards to sighting in your AR-15. It was just a knee jerk reaction. I see people at the range all the time with the elevation dialed way up on the rear sight because they don't understand how to move the front or don't understand the ballistics behind the battlesight zero. It was more of a "oh no, don't mess with it!" kinda thing.

Ares hasn't said anything about the price of the other sights but my guess is it'll be about the same. For a quality pair of irons it's worth the price, I feel.

[timmeh95]

When I re-read my post I realized came across a little harsh, sorry about that.

I'm sorry I implied you maybe didn't know what you were doing with regards to sighting in your AR-15. It was just a knee jerk reaction. I see people at the range all the time with the elevation dialed way up on the rear sight because they don't understand how to move the front or don't understand the ballistics behind the battlesight zero. It was more of a "oh no, don't mess with it!" kinda thing.

Ares hasn't said anything about the price of the other sights but my guess is it'll be about the same. For a quality pair of irons it's worth the price, I feel.

words are words and they 99% of the time don't bother me much, but thanks for apologizing anyways. Coming off a bit harsh is okay, just don't be that guy who flies off his chair for no reason. However I still haven't bothered with figuring out how to adjust elevation and may have to see what tool is required for that later seeing that the SCR uses the same front post sight on it.

Also that thread is good reading material. I am only halfway through it though.