308 pistol. V51p

[Trakker]

There's one for sale on the board. It's an hk clone. I have a hard time shooting my 454 let alone a 308 pistol with roller locked bolt.

Anyone have any experience?


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[cdtx2001]

F-ing flame throwers!

Not that its a bad thing.....its f-ing COOL!!!!!!

[smashycrashy]

Very heavy, if you arent comfortable sig bracing it take a pass.

[barrage]

Nothing takes advantage of 308 ballistics like a pistol length barrel.

[Stanze]

I have a PTR 51P PDW for a range toy. No malfunctions after around 100 rounds to report. It's fun to shoot. Recoil and muzzle rise is not bad at all with its weight, bolt carrier mass and, buffer spring. The barrel is threaded if you want to install a muzzle brake. I recently added a sling to put tension on it for accuracy. I opted not to install an arm brace to keep the length compact to fit into an AR discreet case.

I don't think about it like a underpowered rifle round, but rather a overpowered MP5 clone.

Doing the "HK" slap feels good.

Glock 26 shown for scale.

[HonestAbe]

The early Vector's were decent, but later versions were hit or miss. If I am not mistaken, the company has come in and out of bankruptcy several times. Check the HKPro forums for more info. Best of luck.

[SloChicken]

I too have as 454 revolver (in pic),
The revolver is a harder kicking pistol than my PDW.

I added the pistol extension to give me a good cheek weld (not shoulder) which entirely helps sighting in. For me at least, this is the firearm's weakest aspect. As luck would have it, his has also brought the firearm to >26" OAL which, in turn allows the forward pistol grip.

It took me a minute to get this thing sorted as far as fit, but I must say, now it is a ton of fun to shoot and I have been seriously entertaining using this little guy on my next hog harvest.
at any rate, here is a pic of mine (never mind the minions surrounding it)

[SloChicken]

Nothing takes advantage of 308 ballistics like a pistol length barrel.

Huh?

Could you repeat that a 3rd time please ???

as to your point (or lack of). you are making a feeble inference that a 168gr at 2300fps is candy and will bounce off paper.

sorry, my 24" barrel just doesn't wield so well in tight quarters as this one.

Besides, what is fun, without a little over the top nonsense once in a while.

Have fun in your personal cookie cutter reality.

[SloChicken]

to add:

From "The Truth About Guns - The Truth About Barrel Length, Muzzle Velocity, and Accuracy"

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/10/daniel-zimmerman/the-truth-about-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/

An excerpt from the article regarding barrel length and muzzle velocity ...

Explaining Velocity:

Belief: Now that we know that accuracy is pretty much the same, short barreled rifles lose too much velocity be effective at long ranges.

Fact: This is a double-edged sword. The 13.5-inch length could propel a 168 grain Hornady TAP round at an average velocity of 2390 fps, which is hardly slow. That is only a decrease of around 315 fps from the 26 inch length (25.2 fps/in), and vindicates many researchers who pioneered velocity discussions. There was no noticeable critical difference in accuracy at any range. There is a downside to longer ranges and reduced velocities, that being increased susceptibility to wind as range increases. Increased drift is not the end of the world, though, and if measured properly, can be overcome with ease.

[smashycrashy]

I too have as 454 revolver (in pic),
The revolver is a harder kicking pistol than my PDW.

I added the pistol extension to give me a good cheek weld (not shoulder) which entirely helps sighting in. For me at least, this is the firearm's weakest aspect. As luck would have it, his has also brought the firearm to >26" OAL which now makes this an AOW, which, in turn allows the forward pistol grip.

It took me a minute to get this thing sorted as far as fit, but I must say, now it is a ton of fun to shoot and I have been seriously entertaining using this little guy on my next hog harvest.
at any rate, here is a pic of mine (never mind the minions surrounding it)

For it to be a AOW you need to file paperwork, correct?

[SloChicken]

For it to be a AOW you need to file paperwork, correct?

not exactly an AOW exactly (kind of mis-spoke there), but it is a long convoluted read.

the jist is, it is okay if >26" OAL.

read here for one citation.

http://johnpierceesq.com/?p=602

You can find others but I already did the digging. Your turn now.

[smashycrashy]

Thx for the info

[The Last American Hero]

One of these with 12" barrel to get some more out of the 308, plus it takes the Full Auto group and someone was selling Full Auto trigger groups somewhere. Still a pistol with Sig brace. At a very reasonable $999 for just the gun. I'm kicking myself for not buying in 2014. (OK, all that not legal in CA, but still, I can dream can't I?)

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ptr-k3p-pdw-308-pistol-atlantic-firearms-exclusive-detail.html?Itemid=0

Baddest close quarters Personal Defense Weapon possible yet all on a beer-budget.

[SloChicken]

One of these with 12" barrel to get some more out of the 308, plus it takes the Full Auto group and someone was selling Full Auto trigger groups somewhere. Still a pistol with Sig brace. At a very reasonable $999 for just the gun. I'm kicking myself for not buying in 2014. (OK, all that not legal in CA, but still, I can dream can't I?)

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ptr-k3p-pdw-308-pistol-atlantic-firearms-exclusive-detail.html?Itemid=0

Baddest close quarters Personal Defense Weapon possible yet all on a beer-budget.

If you are talking about the full auto/select fire, clipped and pinned lower trigger housing, that is what I have on my PTR in the pics above. This will fit on either the short or longer recoil systems (G3/HK91 (long recoil) or PTR PDW/HK51 (short/modified recoil) )

This DOES NOT make it select fire, but it does give it a steel HK lower vs. the plastic ones it comes with OEM I(you can readily see the difference between the other poster's pic above mine which uses the plastic trigger housing/lower)

If you want a full auto trigger group you will be paying in the thousands (think upwards of $5k plus NFA paperwork). If you can find one.

[lasbrg]

Huh?

Could you repeat that a 3rd time please ???

The second guy was a tracker.